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NOVAbimmer 12-07-2012 10:19 AM

Surprised nobody brought this up yet...
 
Right to work laws passed through both state house and senate in Michigan this week.

Can one of you union lovers explain why right to work laws are such a horrible thing? I get that unions make a lot of money in Michigan, but I can't imagine a place that mandates union membership as a condition of employment being any kind of fair employment.

Quote:

(CNN) -- Michigan's GOP-dominated statehouse voted Thursday in lame-duck session in favor of right-to-work laws that critics say would limit workers' rights and weaken unions.
The legislative machinery sprang into action shortly after 11 a.m., when the state's Republican governor, Rick Snyder, announced the plan to reporters.
Thousands of people descended on Michigan's Capitol in Lansing in protest, but were locked out of the Capitol.
The lockout was imposed because the capacity of the building had been exceeded, Michigan State Police Inspector Gene Adamczyk said.
Early in the evening, the House passed a bill affecting public workers by a vote of 58-52. House Democrats were united in their opposition; a handful of Republicans crossed party lines to join them, said Bob McCann, communications director for the Michigan State Democrats.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/mic...sts/index.html

casino is no lie 12-07-2012 10:36 AM

I sent a link from the Detroit News on the topic to my work colleagues. Huge implications for our business.

NOVAbimmer 12-07-2012 10:37 AM

Since you're on "The Man" side of this, what kind of implications are you all going to have?

casino is no lie 12-07-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer (Post 14959270)
Since you're on "The Man" side of this, what kind of implications are you all going to have?

It's going to disincentivize the formation of unions. Would you want to pay dues to an organization to receive its benefits when others do not? And with less money and less exclusivity comes a degradation in their leverage.

I would expect more business coming to the Detroit area in my industry given the close proximity to OEM's because there isn't that fear of unionization and some of the hurdles that come with it.

I see competition increasing. Better wages for employees. And hopefully lower prices for the end user.

NOVAbimmer 12-07-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by casino is no lie (Post 14959313)
It's going to disincentivize the formation of unions. Would you want to pay dues to an organization to receive its benefits when others do not? And with less money and less exclusivity comes a degradation in their leverage.

I would expect more business coming to the Detroit area in my industry given the close proximity to OEM's because there isn't that fear of unionization and some of the hurdles that come with it.

I see competition increasing. Better wages for employees. And hopefully lower prices for the end user.

that all sounds really terrible. I feel your pain.

SLVR JDM 12-07-2012 11:15 AM

Excellent news

SLVR JDM 12-07-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer (Post 14959326)
that all sounds really terrible. I feel your pain.

:rofl:

Green_Shine 12-07-2012 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by casino is no lie (Post 14959313)
It's going to disincentivize the formation of unions. Would you want to pay dues to an organization to receive its benefits when others do not? And with less money and less exclusivity comes a degradation in their leverage.

I would expect more business coming to the Detroit area in my industry given the close proximity to OEM's because there isn't that fear of unionization and some of the hurdles that come with it.

I see competition increasing. Better wages for employees. And hopefully lower prices for the end user.

That about sums it up.

Here is good article as well : http://www.freep.com/article/2012120...om-frustration

I live in Michigan and the economy here grows slow when everyone else is booming and declines fast when everyone else is declining. This is a monumental change for Michigan. It is hard to improve job growth here when businesses do not want unions.

Unions are upset because people now have a choice to join them or not, if the union was so appealing you would think everyone would join and they would have nothing to worry about?

tock172 12-07-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Green_Shine (Post 14959428)
Unions are upset because people now have a choice to join them or not, if the union was so appealing you would think everyone would join and they would have nothing to worry about?

Shocking :yikes:

casino is no lie 12-07-2012 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Green_Shine (Post 14959428)
That about sums it up.

Here is good article as well : http://www.freep.com/article/2012120...om-frustration

I live in Michigan and the economy here grows slow when everyone else is booming and declines fast when everyone else is declining. This is a monumental change for Michigan. It is hard to improve job growth here when businesses do not want unions.

Unions are upset because people now have a choice to join them or not, if the union was so appealing you would think everyone would join and they would have nothing to worry about?

The best part of all is that workers can still unionize if they want to. And in a situation where the employer truly is treating their employees unfairly, they'll be inclined to do so more willingly, preserving the original intention of unions.

Lair 12-07-2012 03:59 PM

You already had the right to work somewhere else.

Why didn't they use a better description for it - like 'right to dictate what you're worth' state?

Minimum wage for everyone!

NFRs2000nyc 12-07-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lair (Post 14960219)
You already had the right to work somewhere else.

Why didn't they use a better description for it - like 'right to dictate what you're worth' state?

Minimum wage for everyone!

You should change your username to fail. Almost everything you post now is nothing short of idiocy. Why don't you slam your skull against your desk and see if something useful comes out. Why don't you explain to all us republican corporate c0ck suckers how this is a bad thing.

Act of God 12-07-2012 05:36 PM

Nothing wrong with giving workers choice. If unions are good they will go with the union. If people flee the unions, they weren't necessary or the unions will have to provide better service to attract members. Competition is historically a good thing.

Lair 12-07-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 14960469)
You should change your username to fail. Almost everything you post now is nothing short of idiocy. Why don't you slam your skull against your desk and see if something useful comes out. Why don't you explain to all us republican corporate c0ck suckers how this is a bad thing.

U mad?

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 14960476)
Nothing wrong with giving workers choice.

They already had a choice - work in a union shop, or work in a non-union shop.

NFRs2000nyc 12-07-2012 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lair (Post 14960500)
U mad?



They already had a choice - work in a union shop, or work in a non-union shop.

What if they want to work for a PRIVATE COMPANY like GM or Hostess, but don't want to pay union dues?

Act of God 12-07-2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 14960693)
What if they want to work for a PRIVATE COMPANY like GM or Hostess, but don't want to pay union dues?

His response "work somewhere else". Oddly enough, that's the argument people use against gay marriage (which he supports), "live somewhere else".

NFRs2000nyc 12-07-2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 14960722)
His response "work somewhere else". Oddly enough, that's the argument people use against gay marriage (which he supports), "live somewhere else".

Liberals don't understand the word "consistency."

MDydinanM 12-07-2012 08:19 PM

While I don't oppose the idea of Unions, what I do oppose is what seems to be a monopoly of certain industries in certain areas and states. Michigan is the perfect example for Union monopoly where if you want to go work for the auto industry, chances are you got to be a part of the Union. Sames goes for teachers.

That said, I actually see this bill as perhaps a good thing, to either allow options (a person to chose), allow for competition, and loosen a Union's grip on certain markets. I do see a benefit for Unions in that they protect the employee's interests, however I feel that Unions are a bit outdated. This isn't the industrial revolution anymore, and widespread worker abuse isn't as prevalent as it used to be - but yes, it still does exist. That said, there are federal and state laws for fair labor practices. Additionally, companies typically have their own Inspector General, Ombudsman, or equivalent to resolve employee vs company issues. However, that doesn't always work out amicably. While I do see a place for Unions in the future, I do think they need to take a hard look in the mirror and keep up with the times, and make themselves more flexible and competitive in today's market.

Lair 12-07-2012 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 14960693)
What if they want to work for a PRIVATE COMPANY like GM or Hostess, but don't want to pay union dues?

Why the fvck would anyone want to work for GM?

It isn't because of the high union wages & benefits, is it?

NFRs2000nyc 12-07-2012 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lair (Post 14961006)
Why the fvck would anyone want to work for GM?

It isn't because of the high union wages & benefits, is it?

Dodging the question as usual. Why do people HAVE to join the union? If it was so great, they would join on their own, but they should have the option not to....you communist. Stalin would be proud of you. Now go sell another bible Mr.Ownmyownbusiness.


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