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ride365 12-10-2012 01:51 PM

Are there any cars under $30k w/DSC equivalent?
 
Besides Mini, are there any cars in this price range with active stability control?

217Bimmer 12-10-2012 01:57 PM

it's 2012. pretty sure the shittiest hyundai has this by now.

peytonracer4 12-10-2012 01:58 PM

Search for cars with asc and ESP. I'm pretty sure esp is the same thing as dsc.

ride365 12-10-2012 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 217Bimmer (Post 14967150)
it's 2012. pretty sure the shittiest hyundai has this by now.

Is this really how it is nowadays? I haven't car shopped for years. A quick search tells me it's available on the Civic, so maybe you're right.

EDIT: Apparently ESC was required on all cars starting in 2012. I'm actually looking for a used car, so any continued suggestions are appreciated.

SLVR JDM 12-10-2012 02:17 PM

Most used reasonably new cars have stability control in some form.
Why would this be a determining factor in a car purchase?

217Bimmer 12-10-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ride365 (Post 14967175)
Is this really how it is nowadays? I haven't car shopped for years. A quick search tells me it's available on the Civic, so maybe you're right.

EDIT: Apparently ESC was required on all cars starting in 2012. I'm actually looking for a used car, so any continued suggestions are appreciated.

well, then looking for used you will definitely have to do your homework. each company has it's own name for it. i don't know if there is a common name you can search by.

Grande D 12-10-2012 02:45 PM

Several years ago the E46 was actually the cheapest car available with stability control.

Add head protection to that and the E46 is a hell of a "safe car" bargain, if you can keep up with the maintenance.

rohde88 12-10-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ride365 (Post 14967129)
Besides Mini, are there any cars in this price range with active stability control?

Define "active" are you looking for wheel specific braking, yaw control can be quite active beyond just measuring steering input and direction.

NFRs2000nyc 12-10-2012 03:28 PM

It's federal law. All new cars have some form of electronic traction control.

rohde88 12-10-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 14967455)
It's federal law. All new cars have some form of electronic traction control.

traction control is quite different than stability control, but I'm not sure what OP is asking for

Andy2108 12-10-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ride365 (Post 14967129)
Besides Mini, are there any cars in this price range with active stability control?

You mean... a driver?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/300x/6627467.jpg

Grande D 12-10-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rohde88 (Post 14967468)
traction control is quite different than stability control, but I'm not sure what OP is asking for

DSC equivalent. DSC is dynamic stability control, which is more than just traction control.

I think it's pretty clear what the OP is asking for. :)

rohde88 12-10-2012 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 14967455)
It's federal law. All new cars have some form of electronic traction control.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhp43867 (Post 14967483)
DSC equivalent. DSC is dynamic stability control, which is more than just traction control.

I think it's pretty clear what the OP is asking for. :)

you're right OP, knows what he wants. but NFR is talking about something else

--confusing me.

NFRs2000nyc 12-10-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rohde88 (Post 14967498)
you're right OP, knows what he wants. but NFR is talking about something else

--confusing me.

I was under the impression that it is nothing more than software. traction control on all cars is essentially the same. Computer tied to the brakes. The programming of the system is what's different. In BMW/Ferrari/Porsche, etc terms, dynamic means the system can have "levels" of intervention. On Ferraris, the software has 5 programs, (Race, Sport, Snow, etc.) Each one will let you get into a little more trouble before stepping in. Cars like Camry's have a "single program" system that is either ON or OFF.

With the exception of M cars, I was not aware BMW offered this on their regular models. I always thought it was also ON or OFF.

GhostFlame 12-10-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy2108 (Post 14967482)

:rofl:

B_Cyrus 12-10-2012 03:40 PM

cars still come with drum brakes, yet are required to have stability control


how quaint.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 14967504)
I was under the impression that it is nothing more than software. traction control on all cars is essentially the same. Computer tied to the brakes. The programming of the system is what's different.

actually a lot of traction control systems are tied to throttle and will close it off if you lose traction.

rohde88 12-10-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 14967504)
I was under the impression that it is nothing more than software. traction control on all cars is essentially the same. Computer tied to the brakes. The programming of the system is what's different.

Traction control only affects the drive wheels. Stability control incoporates braking (including non drive wheels)

More complicated stability control programs will change suspension settings as well.

217Bimmer 12-10-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 14967504)
I was under the impression that it is nothing more than software. traction control on all cars is essentially the same. Computer tied to the brakes. The programming of the system is what's different. In BMW/Ferrari/Porsche, etc terms, dynamic means the system can have "levels" of intervention. On Ferraris, the software has 5 programs, (Race, Sport, Snow, etc.) Each one will let you get into a little more trouble before stepping in. Cars like Camry's have a "single program" system that is either ON or OFF.

With the exception of M cars, I was not aware BMW offered this on their regular models. I always thought it was also ON or OFF.

there are sensors that go along with the program. the abs sensors are different than the stability control ones.

NFRs2000nyc 12-10-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Cyrus (Post 14967508)
cars still come with drum brakes, yet are required to have stability control


how quaint.



actually a lot of traction control systems are tied to throttle and will close it off if you lose traction.

Sorry, you're right. I meant throttle and brakes. I think they are all tied to throttle and brakes.

NFRs2000nyc 12-10-2012 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohde88 (Post 14967512)
Traction control only affects the drive wheels. Stability control incoporates braking (including non drive wheels)

More complicated stability control programs will change suspension settings as well.

This makes sense. Thinking back to my Acura, only the front wheels had the brakes applied (but they were the ones slipping.)

I am pretty certain my E46 M3 was the same way...I don't believe the front wheels ever had brakes applied to them...but honestly, I don't remember.


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