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v8 5 12-16-2012 07:41 AM

5 Years of data will be collected on US Civilians to look for "Suspicious behavior"
 
When a former senior White House official describes a nationwide surveillance effort as “breathtaking,” you know civil liberties activists are preparing for a fight.

The Wall Street Journal reported today that the little-known National Counterterrorism Center, based in an unmarked building in McLean, Va., has been granted sweeping new authority to store and monitor massive datasets about innocent Americans.

After internal wrangling over privacy and civil liberties issues, the Justice Department reportedly signed off on controversial new guidelines earlier this year. The guidelines allow the NCTC, for the first time, to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, using “predictive pattern-matching,” to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. The data the counterterrorism center has access to, according to the Journal, includes “entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others.”


Notably, the Journal reports that these changes also allow databases about U.S. civilians to be handed over to foreign governments for analysis, presumably so that they too can attempt to determine future criminal actions. The Department of Homeland Security’s former chief privacy officer said that it represents a “sea change in the way that the government interacts with the general public.”


More here:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...uncovered.html

Iceman00 12-16-2012 09:04 AM

I don't like this.

rdo1990 12-16-2012 09:21 AM

.... And this is what our tax money is funding? Why are we looking at raising taxes when we have discretionary/nonessential programs like this in place?

Stankia 12-16-2012 09:29 AM

This sort of thing scares me more than any terrorist organization.

Big Rick 12-16-2012 09:35 AM

^^^^ this ^^^^

cowmoo32 12-16-2012 09:38 AM

The NSA has been collecting data for years. By their definition of "intercepted", information is only intercepted when a person accesses it and uses it. So by their definition they are doing nothing illegal by collecting data. They can get a warrant years later and legally intercept the data.

ATT and the NSA work together
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

NSA's new data center in Colorado, specifically built to house data on US citizens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Wind_(code_name)

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...atacenter/all/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE

JonJon 12-16-2012 10:07 AM

Why wake up now?
Stay tucked in

And don't forget... You can be detained now indefinitely with little cause and no warrant or probable cause. Now the rush to disarm everyone and we are begging for it to happen
All starting to connect ain't it?

Quote:

It is a question of balance: How much liberty should be sacrificed in the name of security?
none

Quote:

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

B.F.

cowmoo32 12-16-2012 10:38 AM

Actually that part of NDAA was amended a few weeks ago. They removed the part about holding US citizens

auto180sx 12-16-2012 10:48 AM

Subed for later.

Lair 12-16-2012 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonJon (Post 14983562)
Why wake up now?
Stay tucked in

And don't forget... You can be detained now indefinitely with little cause and no warrant or probable cause. Now the rush to disarm everyone and we are begging for it to happen
All starting to connect ain't it?

none

8 years ago I remember hearing this sh*t ad infinitum.

"Good! I ain't got nothin' ta hide! It'll keep us safe from all them Muslim turrorists!"

david05111 12-16-2012 11:25 AM

Yep, by all means continue to elect politicians that create which expand government intrusion into state and personal affairs. I really hate the American populace these days...no one sees the bigger overall picture

And yes, the Patriot Act is also an attrocity

//TRD power 12-16-2012 12:53 PM

You have 2 parties.
Republicans.
Or republicans wearing democratic symbols.

Swish 12-16-2012 02:42 PM

It always amazes me how some people on this board think they're the ONLY ones that know something about anything, and everyone else are sheep. If you're so smart and have it ALL figured out, get your dumb a$$ off of this site and do something more productive for the country instead of just bitching about it and calling everyone (excluding yourself) sheep... Can't stand condescending/arrogant know-it-alls!

bimmerfan08 12-16-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swish (Post 14984015)
It always amazes me how some people on this board think they're the ONLY ones that know something about anything, and everyone else are sheep. If you're so smart and have it ALL figured out, get your dumb a$$ off of this site and do something more productive for the country instead of just bitching about it and calling everyone (excluding yourself) sheep... Can't stand condescending/arrogant know-it-alls!

:woot:

Andy2108 12-16-2012 04:06 PM

:eek:

JonJon 12-16-2012 04:16 PM

Baaahh

SWISH my brother.. When a majority of people want and accept this, there isn't much one can do but be vocal about opposition and hope others come around.

That or... Wait until it gets so bad... Well, you know what comes next

NorthJersey 3er 12-16-2012 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swish (Post 14984015)
It always amazes me how some people on this board think they're the ONLY ones that know something about anything, and everyone else are sheep. If you're so smart and have it ALL figured out, get your dumb a$$ off of this site and do something more productive for the country instead of just bitching about it and calling everyone (excluding yourself) sheep... Can't stand condescending/arrogant know-it-alls!

Well we can no longer go to DC and protest within a certain distance from SS or we'll be detained. Our rights as citizens are being threatened, but for the most part people are too busy playing left vs right instead of focusing on whats important.

Swish 12-16-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonJon (Post 14984238)
Baaahh

SWISH my brother.. When a majority of people want and accept this, there isn't much one can do but be vocal about opposition and hope others come around.

That or... Wait until it gets so bad... Well, you know what comes next

I understand this, but its asinine to be condescending about it. Also, as crazy as it sounds, Lair is 100% correct, why weren't these infringement of rights a issue when they were being put into place to protect us from Muslims? I know you've always been outspoken about these situations... Maybe it's time to do more than just post about it (shrugs)..

Swish 12-16-2012 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthJersey 3er (Post 14984241)
Well we can no longer go to DC and protest within a certain distance from SS or we'll be detained. Our rights as citizens are being threatened, but for the most part people are too busy playing left vs right instead of focusing on whats important.

Why would you need to protest close enough to the Secret Service anyway? I agree with you some civil liberties are being infringed upon, but I'll ask you the same question I asked JJ, what are you going to do about it? Side note: have you ever protested the POTUS, or are you just pissed at the notion?

JonJon 12-16-2012 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swish (Post 14984534)
I understand this, but its asinine to be condescending about it. Also, as crazy as it sounds, Lair is 100% correct, why weren't these infringement of rights a issue when they were being put into place to protect us from Muslims? I know you've always been outspoken about these situations... Maybe it's time to do more than just post about it (shrugs)..

I've been consistently upset and vocal against it from the start
There are things that I do but in the grand scheme of things, I honestly feel its hopeless


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