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always-there 12-17-2012 09:24 PM

Careless world.
 
I've been noticing random shootings, countless life's taken, and I don't know why. We had a guy come to Walgreens only to jump in the pharmacy, swallow a bottle of Vicodin and then blow his head off. Then there's the recent San Antonio shooting. There's so many and it's getting out hand. I feel like buying a bat and keeping it in my trunk. Is your family safe?

farmdog 12-17-2012 09:28 PM

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kuksul08 12-17-2012 09:43 PM

People have always been crazy. It's just that with the internet and so many forms of media, you hear about it more often and to be honest it's often dramatized. Not always, but very often. Also, people have more resources and technology, plus getting their ideas from other people (eg. the internet) allows them to fulfill their crazy thoughts in all new ways.

My opinion is that it all comes down to your upbringing. Even people with negative psychological tendencies can apply them in a positive way with discipline and firm, respectful parenting. And people with totally normal brains can use them for evil when raised by weak or immature parents. My question is... why don't we teach parenting as a standard part of the curriculum? In my 17 years of formal education, I was never required to take a parenting class of any kind, yet it's the #1 most important thing for the generations that follow. So far it's been that kids with good parents will usually treat their kids the same way. Kids with bad or absent parents might flip 180 degrees and be overbearing on their kids. Kids with strict or abusive parents might be too kind to their kids and let them get away with things which leads to them having manipulative personalities.

NOVAbimmer 12-17-2012 09:45 PM

Good luck with that bat in the trunk of your car. Hope it works out for you.

dreamdrivedrift 12-17-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kuksul08 (Post 14988779)
My opinion is that it all comes down to your upbringing. Even people with negative psychological tendencies can apply them in a positive way with discipline and firm, respectful parenting. And people with totally normal brains can use them for evil when raised by weak or immature parents. My question is... why don't we teach parenting as a standard part of the curriculum? In my 17 years of formal education, I was never required to take a parenting class of any kind, yet it's the #1 most important thing for the generations that follow.

Imagine the political battles that would happen if someone wanted to implement parenting classes as part of standard curriculum

NOVAbimmer 12-17-2012 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamdrivedrift (Post 14988802)
Imagine the political battles that would happen if someone wanted to implement parenting classes as part of standard curriculum

Babies come with instruction manuals, right?

BMW E465 12-17-2012 09:53 PM

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A bat?

b0bab0i 12-17-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by farmdog (Post 14988698)
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zyzz's dead brah

kuksul08 12-17-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamdrivedrift (Post 14988802)
Imagine the political battles that would happen if someone wanted to implement parenting classes as part of standard curriculum

I don't think it would be a bad idea. It's like teaching evolution in schools. The only people opposed to it are the ones who can't accept the facts.

There are certain facts when raising a child about what you should and should not do. For example, don't do crystal meth in front of your kids. Don't let them play with your guns, and teach them proper gun safety. Punish them when they lie. Don't use candy or toys as leverage.

These are just a few I can think of, based on my observations. They're really quite simple, and some people don't get it.

tock172 12-17-2012 10:03 PM

Smoke a bowl.

Top_Bunk 12-17-2012 10:06 PM

This sh!t has always happened, and you're living in the safest time period ever. You just hear about the psychos now, while your grandparents didn't.

B_Cyrus 12-17-2012 10:08 PM

bro this happened in Abraham Lincoln's time, but back then everyone wasn't a bunch of cunts.

MachRc 12-17-2012 10:19 PM

god I love this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-AFlHsXc3w

surveilance cameras, keyless deadbolts and 700 dollar cohete.

and a bottle of wasp spray under the bed.

Reedo302 12-18-2012 03:05 AM

Our culture has a lot of issues. A good book to read is Terror at Beslan by John Giduck, or pretty much any book written by
LTC David Grossman, with particular attention to the book Stop Teaching our Kids to Kill.
We are essentially conditioning our children to be apathetic and indifferent to everything, including violence. We glorify violence in pretty much every aspect of media, from TV and movies to video games and internet videos.

With particular reference to the mentally ill, we have a lot more recognizable mental illness now. This is exacerbated by medication and self-medication issues, of course. However, this issue is also made worse by the media that is available. You take someone who is already experiencing an extreme schizo-affective disorder, narcissism or outright schizophrenia, and you show them TV shows like Doomsday Preppers, or the myriad of shows about the end of the Mayan calendar, and now you've basically poked and prodded someone already on the edge and pushed them over that edge.

Look into the ghettos or "urban" communities where kids are taught from a very young age that materialism is the most important thing in the world, and that nobody will respect you if you don't have money, bling and a hot ride. These are kids who, if asked what they want to do when they grow up, will either say they want to be a pro athlete or a rapper. Nobody wants to be a doctor, lawyer, pilot or train engineer. They are inundated with influence from the only thing they see, which is the "urban" culture that glorifies irresponsibility, materialism and violence. Their role models are generally gang bangers who teach these kids that respect is earned through violence, killing, dealing drugs and disprespecting women.

Next, go to suburbia where kids are glued every waking hour to their Xbox360 or PS3. These kids will literally go up to a combat veteran and tell the vet all about war, just because they've played Call of Duty. They watch actual war footage on YouTube and all they do is go "COOL!" Completely desensitized to violence.

Or, take any kid aged 12-19, and look at how every aspect of their life is inertwined with Facebook and Twitter. The term "cyber-bullying" had to be invented to describe the amount of emotional anguish kids are experiencing because people talk crap about them online.

We have messed up laws and a legal system that is designed to prevent people from being held accountable for their actions. There are felons who have been arrested multiple times for possessing a firearm (felony in every state) that keep getting put on probation, likely followed by double-secret probation. Over and over. Yet, a law abiding citizen who neglects to pay a $200 tax fee so that they can take 1.5" off the length of a rifle barrel will face 5-10 years in federal prison. Data privacy laws protect sex offenders, as most sex offenders are not assigned risk levels (Level 1, 2 or 3), so most of their neighbors don't know they're convicted sex offenders. Etc etc etc.

We have a significant problem in this country, and so much of it is based around people who simply have no incentive to take responsibility for their own actions. All we do in this country is try to find ways to explain or justify things, and find ways to eliminate capabilities. Look at prisons- they're "rehabilitation" facilities. Prison is where you send someone to be contained because they cannot function responsibly in society, but we try and soften that because we don't want to treat criminals like criminals.

NOVAbimmer 12-18-2012 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Reedo302 (Post 14989482)
Our culture has a lot of issues. A good book to read is Terror at Beslan by John Giduck, or pretty much any book written by
LTC David Grossman, with particular attention to the book Stop Teaching our Kids to Kill.
We are essentially conditioning our children to be apathetic and indifferent to everything, including violence. We glorify violence in pretty much every aspect of media, from TV and movies to video games and internet videos.

With particular reference to the mentally ill, we have a lot more recognizable mental illness now. This is exacerbated by medication and self-medication issues, of course. However, this issue is also made worse by the media that is available. You take someone who is already experiencing an extreme schizo-affective disorder, narcissism or outright schizophrenia, and you show them TV shows like Doomsday Preppers, or the myriad of shows about the end of the Mayan calendar, and now you've basically poked and prodded someone already on the edge and pushed them over that edge.

Look into the ghettos or "urban" communities where kids are taught from a very young age that materialism is the most important thing in the world, and that nobody will respect you if you don't have money, bling and a hot ride. These are kids who, if asked what they want to do when they grow up, will either say they want to be a pro athlete or a rapper. Nobody wants to be a doctor, lawyer, pilot or train engineer. They are inundated with influence from the only thing they see, which is the "urban" culture that glorifies irresponsibility, materialism and violence. Their role models are generally gang bangers who teach these kids that respect is earned through violence, killing, dealing drugs and disprespecting women.

Next, go to suburbia where kids are glued every waking hour to their Xbox360 or PS3. These kids will literally go up to a combat veteran and tell the vet all about war, just because they've played Call of Duty. They watch actual war footage on YouTube and all they do is go "COOL!" Completely desensitized to violence.

Or, take any kid aged 12-19, and look at how every aspect of their life is inertwined with Facebook and Twitter. The term "cyber-bullying" had to be invented to describe the amount of emotional anguish kids are experiencing because people talk crap about them online.

We have messed up laws and a legal system that is designed to prevent people from being held accountable for their actions. There are felons who have been arrested multiple times for possessing a firearm (felony in every state) that keep getting put on probation, likely followed by double-secret probation. Over and over. Yet, a law abiding citizen who neglects to pay a $200 tax fee so that they can take 1.5" off the length of a rifle barrel will face 5-10 years in federal prison. Data privacy laws protect sex offenders, as most sex offenders are not assigned risk levels (Level 1, 2 or 3), so most of their neighbors don't know they're convicted sex offenders. Etc etc etc.

We have a significant problem in this country, and so much of it is based around people who simply have no incentive to take responsibility for their own actions. All we do in this country is try to find ways to explain or justify things, and find ways to eliminate capabilities. Look at prisons- they're "rehabilitation" facilities. Prison is where you send someone to be contained because they cannot function responsibly in society, but we try and soften that because we don't want to treat criminals like criminals.

Preach it! Can I get an "Amen"?

bimmerfan08 12-18-2012 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamdrivedrift (Post 14988802)
Imagine the political battles that would happen if someone wanted to implement parenting classes as part of standard curriculum

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer (Post 14988807)
Babies come with instruction manuals, right?

Agreed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reedo302 (Post 14989482)
Our culture has a lot of issues. A good book to read is Terror at Beslan by John Giduck, or pretty much any book written by
LTC David Grossman, with particular attention to the book Stop Teaching our Kids to Kill.
We are essentially conditioning our children to be apathetic and indifferent to everything, including violence. We glorify violence in pretty much every aspect of media, from TV and movies to video games and internet videos.

With particular reference to the mentally ill, we have a lot more recognizable mental illness now. This is exacerbated by medication and self-medication issues, of course. However, this issue is also made worse by the media that is available. You take someone who is already experiencing an extreme schizo-affective disorder, narcissism or outright schizophrenia, and you show them TV shows like Doomsday Preppers, or the myriad of shows about the end of the Mayan calendar, and now you've basically poked and prodded someone already on the edge and pushed them over that edge.

Look into the ghettos or "urban" communities where kids are taught from a very young age that materialism is the most important thing in the world, and that nobody will respect you if you don't have money, bling and a hot ride. These are kids who, if asked what they want to do when they grow up, will either say they want to be a pro athlete or a rapper. Nobody wants to be a doctor, lawyer, pilot or train engineer. They are inundated with influence from the only thing they see, which is the "urban" culture that glorifies irresponsibility, materialism and violence. Their role models are generally gang bangers who teach these kids that respect is earned through violence, killing, dealing drugs and disprespecting women.

Next, go to suburbia where kids are glued every waking hour to their Xbox360 or PS3. These kids will literally go up to a combat veteran and tell the vet all about war, just because they've played Call of Duty. They watch actual war footage on YouTube and all they do is go "COOL!" Completely desensitized to violence.

Or, take any kid aged 12-19, and look at how every aspect of their life is inertwined with Facebook and Twitter. The term "cyber-bullying" had to be invented to describe the amount of emotional anguish kids are experiencing because people talk crap about them online.

We have messed up laws and a legal system that is designed to prevent people from being held accountable for their actions. There are felons who have been arrested multiple times for possessing a firearm (felony in every state) that keep getting put on probation, likely followed by double-secret probation. Over and over. Yet, a law abiding citizen who neglects to pay a $200 tax fee so that they can take 1.5" off the length of a rifle barrel will face 5-10 years in federal prison. Data privacy laws protect sex offenders, as most sex offenders are not assigned risk levels (Level 1, 2 or 3), so most of their neighbors don't know they're convicted sex offenders. Etc etc etc.

We have a significant problem in this country, and so much of it is based around people who simply have no incentive to take responsibility for their own actions. All we do in this country is try to find ways to explain or justify things, and find ways to eliminate capabilities. Look at prisons- they're "rehabilitation" facilities. Prison is where you send someone to be contained because they cannot function responsibly in society, but we try and soften that because we don't want to treat criminals like criminals.

Agreed 100%. There is definitely a sense of entitlement and a serious lack of self-responsibility in this day and age. And it's not so much the explaining that irritates me it's the justification of stupid and ignorant actions. I feel as a society we have lost a lot of self identity and catered to the scums of this country.

Rubenk 12-18-2012 06:58 AM

Long story short, nothing is new or changed for the amount of crazy that is out there. Simply the media reporting on more terrible things now than ever before.

2000_328CI 12-18-2012 07:02 AM

Mandatory parenting classes? People the government SUCKS! Ask your parents for those lessons.
:facepalm:

bimmerfan08 12-18-2012 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 14989635)
Mandatory parenting classes? People the government SUCKS! Ask your parents for those lessons.
:facepalm:

Chase in case you haven't realized, there are people out there who do a shitty job at parenting. Look at all the bafoons who pop kids out just to profit off of them yet take no part in raising them properly to become productive citizens. Perhaps a certain percentage of the money the government is handing these people should be used on proper education for parents to raise and stimulate children positively. :dunno:

evolved 12-18-2012 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmerfan08 (Post 14989677)
Chase in case you haven't realized, there are people out there who do a shitty job at parenting. Look at all the bafoons who pop kids out just to profit off of them yet take no part in raising them properly to become productive citizens. Perhaps a certain percentage of the money the government is handing these people should be used on proper education for parents to raise and stimulate children positively. :dunno:

Remove the tax benefit/social services benefit for anything over 2 or 3 kids and I bet we'll see a lot fewer people having kids. However, no one would probably go for that because it could put a serious negative impact on innocent kids.

Edit: Reed.....:clap:


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