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BB BMW 01-03-2013 12:14 PM

Where are the SPENDING Cuts?
 
We now have tax increases on every working American along with the taxes in the Healthcare bill that are starting to take effect. So.......where are the spending cuts?

We are facing another trillion dollar budget debt, but continue the spending.

Do people really believe that now that the "RICH" will be paying MORE, that the economy, debt/deficit etc. are all now solved? The new tax bill to avoid the cliff, according to the CBO, will "only" add $4 trillion to the debt with NO spending cuts at all.

Next ....... the debt ceiling. Stay tuned.

Obama and the demos are not going to reign in their desire to keep spending.
So the cliff has not disappeared. :woot:

Do you think we need to cut spending? :confused:

Act of God 01-03-2013 12:16 PM

not going to happen, ever. True story

'busa 01-03-2013 12:19 PM

"Compared to that more realistic scenario, the fiscal cliff bill will actually reduce deficits somewhat -- various estimates suggest by roughly $600 billion."

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/01/news...liff-deal-cbo/

Act of God 01-03-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'busa (Post 15027674)
"Compared to that more realistic scenario, the fiscal cliff bill will actually reduce deficits somewhat -- various estimates suggest by roughly $600 billion."

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/01/news...liff-deal-cbo/

Get real :tsk:

Lair 01-03-2013 12:25 PM

Fox News says it will increase the deficit.

Amiright?

'busa 01-03-2013 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 15027682)
Get real :tsk:

Speak clearly.

Green_Shine 01-03-2013 01:14 PM

Cannot. Stop. Spending. Must. Anal. Rape. Merica.

BB BMW 01-03-2013 01:15 PM

NO

the CBO said it will increase the debt, not reduce it.

CBO: 'Fiscal cliff' deal carries $4 trillion price tag over next decade

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...#ixzz2GwR9jY7I


http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...lion-price-tag

'busa 01-03-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB BMW (Post 15027886)
NO

the CBO said it will increase the debt, not reduce it.

CBO: 'Fiscal cliff' deal carries $4 trillion price tag over next decade

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...#ixzz2GwR9jY7I


http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...lion-price-tag

$4 trillion compared to what?

2000_328CI 01-03-2013 01:29 PM

Cliffs Notes :

- Obama (and likeminded individuals) want larger government, more government control, and less of a free market system. They have realized that they are the MINORITY. Americans, as a generalization want less government involvement and a larger role at the state level.

- Because Obama and his minions can't push large government legislation (even his health care bill would have failed in an even remotely bipartisan congress), they will push for larger handouts. They will push for more freebies for the unemployed, healthcare programs for the pool, and other idiotic expansions of the welfare state (inherently making the welfare TRAP more easy to fall into). And he will easily get votes because there are more people now that will take than will make in the economy.

- The expansion of government and larger pools of handouts will result in a budgetary shortfall as we've already seen. This in turn creates a need to collect more revenue.

- Obama will point fingers and place blame on the rich. They are an easy target, are a small portion of society, and serve as a nice scapegoat (germany anyone). By fueling rage, he can then place unfairly high requirements for taxation and justify them through the budgetary crisis he has created.

- The cycle will continue and Obama will push for more handouts which will inevitably HAVE to result in higher taxation.. which results in the shrinking of the private sector and an expansion of government involvement... an inherent push TOWARDS socialism and away from the free market.

While Fox News complains about the government expansion and the topic of the hour, people are blind to the larger systematic push away from the very factors that made this nation so successful. And as people as a whole become indoctrinated into the socialized system, the fight against it will end and the acceptance of it will begin.. as that happens, so does the rise of tyranny.

Capitalism will ultimately fail as the masses have realized they can vote themselves goods from the public treasury. Tyranny will rise and the select few that rule over the masses in this nation will look back and applaud Obama for giving them the chance to rule over Americans as their dependent subjects... subjects that are happy with a meager existence of table scraps.

People like Busa will roll their eyes to this. But they'll also be the first to flip over and take it up the @$$ for Barack.. defending him to the very end regardless of the charges. Solyndra and the vast other examples of crony capitalism had no meaning. The expansion of the fed into healthcare was a "welcome addition" to expansion, and anything other than praise for Barack is the result of racism.. for no intelligent individual could possibly look down upon the actions of his hero.. Because Obama, to him, isn't a politician.. he is an icon and a cult of personality.. one that must be obediently served via praise.. it's rather sad.

BB BMW 01-03-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'busa (Post 15027923)
$4 trillion compared to what?

Did you read the link?

BB BMW 01-03-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
Cliffs Notes :

- Obama (and likeminded individuals) want larger government, more government control, and less of a free market system. They have realized that they are the MINORITY. Americans, as a generalization want less government involvement and a larger role at the state level.

- Because Obama and his minions can't push large government legislation (even his health care bill would have failed in an even remotely bipartisan congress), they will push for larger handouts. They will push for more freebies for the unemployed, healthcare programs for the pool, and other idiotic expansions of the welfare state (inherently making the welfare TRAP more easy to fall into). And he will easily get votes because there are more people now that will take than will make in the economy.

- The expansion of government and larger pools of handouts will result in a budgetary shortfall as we've already seen. This in turn creates a need to collect more revenue.

- Obama will point fingers and place blame on the rich. They are an easy target, are a small portion of society, and serve as a nice scapegoat (germany anyone). By fueling rage, he can then place unfairly high requirements for taxation and justify them through the budgetary crisis he has created.

- The cycle will continue and Obama will push for more handouts which will inevitably HAVE to result in higher taxation.. which results in the shrinking of the private sector and an expansion of government involvement... an inherent push TOWARDS socialism and away from the free market.

While Fox News complains about the government expansion and the topic of the hour, people are blind to the larger systematic push away from the very factors that made this nation so successful. And as people as a whole become indoctrinated into the socialized system, the fight against it will end and the acceptance of it will begin.. as that happens, so does the rise of tyranny.

Capitalism will ultimately fail as the masses have realized they can vote themselves goods from the public treasury. Tyranny will rise and the select few that rule over the masses in this nation will look back and applaud Obama for giving them the chance to rule over Americans as their dependent subjects... subjects that are happy with a meager existence of table scraps.

People like Busa will roll their eyes to this. But they'll also be the first to flip over and take it up the @$$ for Barack.. defending him to the very end regardless of the charges. Solyndra and the vast other examples of crony capitalism had no meaning. The expansion of the fed into healthcare was a "welcome addition" to expansion, and anything other than praise for Barack is the result of racism.. for no intelligent individual could possibly look down upon the actions of his hero.. Because Obama, to him, isn't a politician.. he is an icon and a cult of personality.. one that must be obediently served via praise.. it's rather sad.


The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

'busa 01-03-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB BMW (Post 15027979)
Did you read the link?

Yes.

casino is no lie 01-03-2013 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB BMW (Post 15027988)
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

That's rather ironic given Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.

BB BMW 01-03-2013 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'busa (Post 15027989)
Yes.

All I can say is, that is what the bi-partisan CBO is reporting.

$41 dollars in taxes vs $1 in spending cuts. What a DEAL :facepalm:


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ing-cuts-ratio

'busa 01-03-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB BMW (Post 15028026)
All I can say is, that is what the bi-partisan CBO is reporting.

You should do better than that. Prove your understanding of the article. What is the $4 trillion figure measured against?

BB BMW 01-03-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casino is no lie (Post 15028003)
That's rather ironic given Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.

but even they worked.

BB BMW 01-03-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'busa (Post 15028029)
You should do better than that. Prove your understanding of the article. What is the $4 trillion figure measured against?

I posted it, you read it. Do you understand it? If so, good, if not, read it again. Why you asking me. Ask the CBO. :idea:

bimmerfan08 01-03-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'busa (Post 15027674)
"Compared to that more realistic scenario, the fiscal cliff bill will actually reduce deficits somewhat -- various estimates suggest by roughly $600 billion."

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/01/news...liff-deal-cbo/

:spit: You are ridiculous. You championed for tax increases and yet you think that is enough to offset debt and spending? Those are estimates. I'm not believing anything until I see cold hard facts. Btw what is your profession?

Quote:

Originally Posted by casino is no lie (Post 15028003)
That's rather ironic given Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.

Slaves were forced to work....

'busa 01-03-2013 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
- Obama (and likeminded individuals) want larger government, more government control, and less of a free market system. They have realized that they are the MINORITY. Americans, as a generalization want less government involvement and a larger role at the state level.

If people like Obama and likeminded individuals are the minority, who did Obama get elected by? The minority?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
- Because Obama and his minions can't push large government legislation (even his health care bill would have failed in an even remotely bipartisan congress), they will push for larger handouts. They will push for more freebies for the unemployed, healthcare programs for the pool, and other idiotic expansions of the welfare state (inherently making the welfare TRAP more easy to fall into). And he will easily get votes because there are more people now that will take than will make in the economy.

Minions? Really? My pool really needs a healthcare program.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
- The expansion of government and larger pools of handouts will result in a budgetary shortfall as we've already seen. This in turn creates a need to collect more revenue.

Not that the Bush (and subsequently Obama) Tax Cuts had anything to do with the defiicit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
- Obama will point fingers and place blame on the rich. They are an easy target, are a small portion of society, and serve as a nice scapegoat (germany anyone). By fueling rage, he can then place unfairly high requirements for taxation and justify them through the budgetary crisis he has created.

Ah, yes, the poor rich minority. Oh, and yes, the tax rate on the very rich increases from 35% to 39.6%. That's "unfairly high".

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
- The cycle will continue and Obama will push for more handouts which will inevitably HAVE to result in higher taxation.. which results in the shrinking of the private sector and an expansion of government involvement... an inherent push TOWARDS socialism and away from the free market.

I can't even come up with a witty comback without being insulting, so I'll abstain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
While Fox News complains about the government expansion and the topic of the hour, people are blind to the larger systematic push away from the very factors that made this nation so successful.

Slavery? Child labor? Isolationism? Which one is it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
And as people as a whole become indoctrinated into the socialized system, the fight against it will end and the acceptance of it will begin.. as that happens, so does the rise of tyranny.

Define tyranny.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
Capitalism will ultimately fail as the masses have realized they can vote themselves goods from the public treasury. Tyranny will rise and the select few that rule over the masses in this nation will look back and applaud Obama for giving them the chance to rule over Americans as their dependent subjects... subjects that are happy with a meager existence of table scraps.

I...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
People like Busa will roll their eyes to this.

:rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
But they'll also be the first to flip over and take it up the @$$ for Barack.. defending him to the very end regardless of the charges. Solyndra and the vast other examples of crony capitalism had no meaning.

Solyndra? Really? Still?
“Loan guarantees aim to stimulate investment and commercialization of clean energy technologies to reduce our nation’s reliance on foreign sources of energy,” Bush’s energy secretary, Sam Bodman, announced in a press release on Oct. 4, 2007. The release said the Energy Department had received 143 pre-applications for the guarantees and narrowed the list down to 16 finalists — including Solyndra. Bodman said the action put “Americans one step closer to being able to use new and novel sources of energy on a mass scale to reduce emissions and allow for vigorous economic growth and increased energy security.”

Bush’s Energy Department apparently adjusted its regulations to make sure that Solyndra would be eligible for the guarantees. It hadn’t originally contemplated including the photovoltaic-panel manufacturing that Solyndra did but changed the regulation before it was finalized. The only project that benefited was Solyndra’s.

The guarantee program for these alternative energy companies, in turn, was created as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 — sponsored by Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.), who has been a leader in the congressional probe of Solyndra’s ties to the Obama administration.

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) was a major backer of the loan program, and is now railing against it. Rep. David Dreier (R-Calif.) supported the program’s creation, and is now trying to gut it. Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) was a major supporter of the program, and now believes the very idea behind the program is offensive.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) seems desperate to make this story a “scandal,” but he both helped create the loan program and tried to get funding through it for some of his constituents. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/pol...nity032460.php
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/q...icle-1.1154467
Quit trying to make it out something that it's not.
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15027948)
The expansion of the fed into healthcare was a "welcome addition" to expansion, and anything other than praise for Barack is the result of racism.. for no intelligent individual could possibly look down upon the actions of his hero.. Because Obama, to him, isn't a politician.. he is an icon and a cult of personality.. one that must be obediently served via praise.. it's rather sad.

The Federal Reserve is expending into healthcare? That's news to me.


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