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Rush4theYehO 01-13-2013 11:41 PM

Sig Sauer MPX
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Ml28BphAkSQ

Thoughts?


And wtf is NATO mud?

Reedo302 01-14-2013 12:19 AM

It's a pretty neat idea, and it looks like a blast to shoot. Operationally, it's very limited. Pistol caliber long guns and subguns are being phased out by most special operations groups, military tactical teams like FBI HRT and DEA FAST, and law enforcement agencies and tactical teams.
I can see a lot of applicability with this weapon in the European market, but not in the US market.

mkodama 01-14-2013 12:27 AM

There are standardized "dirts" for weapons testing, but I didn't think it was decided by NATO. :rofl:

rkhettry23 01-14-2013 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkodama (Post 15058526)
There are standardized "dirts" for weapons testing, but I didn't think it was decided by NATO. :rofl:


From one of the comments:

"NATO mud" doesn't refer to the material, but to the testing procedure. Not sure what the standard is today, but it used to***65279; be that any weapon going through the mud test had to go through a dozen separate mud 'baths', then after the last one had to be able to fire five consecutive shots cleanly in order to pass.

m5killa 01-14-2013 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reedo302 (Post 15058506)
It's a pretty neat idea, and it looks like a blast to shoot. Operationally, it's very limited. Pistol caliber long guns and subguns are being phased out by most special operations groups, military tactical teams like FBI HRT and DEA FAST, and law enforcement agencies and tactical teams.
I can see a lot of applicability with this weapon in the European market, but not in the US market.


Are they switching to SBR rifles?

Reedo302 01-14-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by m5killa (Post 15060268)
Are they switching to SBR rifles?

Not necessarily SBRs, but rifles-yes. 5.56/.223 and 6.8SPC loads have far better performance and lethality than pistol rounds, longer range, more precision, and better barrier defeating properties, including punching through soft armor (which pistol rounds won't do). Additionally, barrier blind and urban rifle loads have a lower propensity of over-penetration than pistol rounds. FBI stats have indicated that a greater percentage of rifle rounds are recovered inside the body of the suspect(s) than pistol or shotgun rounds. This is done by percentage of incidents compared to overall incidents where that weapon option was used.

Pistol rounds are known to suck when putting bad guys down, and lengthening the barrel does not make them any more lethal. You just get better accuracy, longer range and higher rate of fire than you do with a pistol. When the bullet hits the meat however, it's still the same as if you shot them with a pistol.

Special operations units needing compact suppressed weapons have largely moved away from the MP5s, and some switched to the MP7A1, which fires a 4.6x30mm "subcaliber" type round. Many of the units that have used the MP7A1 have subsequently ditched due to poor performance, opting for .300BLK subsonic loads out of suppressed SBRs, which are far more effective and lethal.


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