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bimmerfan08 01-17-2013 10:02 PM

Just Explain It: Who Pays For Presidential Perks?
 
Being the President of the United States comes with a tremendous amount of pressure and responsibility. However, the commander in chief does enjoy preferential treatment most of us will never experience.

Some of those perks include: having his limo transported by plane wherever he travels, getting to see first-run and not-released movies free of charge, never stopping for a stop light or sign and his own private zip code.

Which brings us to todayís Just Explain It.

Whatís the value of the presidency when you add in all the perks for being Commander-in-Chief?

We may never be able to put a dollar amount on the value of the presidency. Thatís because some of the costs associated with the position are buried in many different budgets and scattered between different governmental departments.

Letís take a look at some of the presidential perks covered by your tax dollars. They not only make the presidentís life easier, theyíre for security and practical purposes too.

Number one -- the presidentís salary is $400,000 a year. The Chief Executive also gets a budget for entertainment, business and travel expenses.

Number two -- Transportation. To get the president from place to place safely, he has Air Force One, Marine One and a limo available at a momentís notice. A 2012 Congressional Research Service report found that Air Force One costs about $180,000 an hour to operate.

According to the Hawaii Reporter, one round-trip flight to Honolulu by President Obama last month cost about $3.2 million. But the president made two of them because of the fiscal cliff crisis. That doubled the price tag to $6.4 million.

Number three Ė The White House. For the 2008 fiscal year, Bradley Patterson, a retired Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, estimated the cost of running the White House was almost $1.6 billion. And that amount didnít include unpublished classified expenses.

The presidentís White house staff also comes at a steep price. In 2012, the White House reported its payroll grew from $37 million in 2011 to $37.8 million. The list includes 468 names. 139 of which make more than $100,000 a year.

Number four Ė Secret Service access. Protecting the President takes a great deal of manpower. The agencyís budget this year is $1.6 billion. A portion of that will go toward protecting president while in office and for life.

And number five Ė Retirement plan. According to CNBC, President Obama will receive over $191,000 a year for life as soon as he leaves office.

A former presidentís net worth can grow substantially in retirement. After two terms in office, The Atlantic magazine reported Bill Clintonís net worth at around $40 million. The increase was due to numerous speaking engagements and book deals.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/just-...203926005.html

evolved 01-18-2013 12:18 AM

Yes, there are a lot of costs associated with being the POTUS. So........

JonJon 01-18-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by evolved (Post 15072091)
Yes, there are a lot of costs associated with being the POTUS. So........

Public servant is a public servant. They are treated more like a ruler than an employee.

That needs to change

Act of God 01-18-2013 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JonJon (Post 15072110)
Public servant is a public servant. They are treated more like a ruler than an employee.

That needs to change

why do you hate black people? :eek:

evolved 01-18-2013 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JonJon (Post 15072110)
Public servant is a public servant. They are treated more like a ruler than an employee.

That needs to change

The POTUS is a public servant that happens to be the most powerful person in the world. There are large costs associated with that. This is nothing new and/or shocking.

bimmerfan08 01-18-2013 11:17 AM

Just thought it was an interesting tidbit of info.

217Bimmer 01-18-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JonJon (Post 15072110)
Public servant is a public servant. They are treated more like a ruler than an employee.

That needs to change

goes for all of congress and senate who among other things have different pensions, raises, and health care than those they serve. it's a fvcking joke.

JonJon 01-18-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by evolved (Post 15072612)
The POTUS is a public servant that happens to be the most powerful person in the world. There are large costs associated with that. This is nothing new and/or shocking.

What's shocking to me is that you think the POTUS is the most powerful person in the world.

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Originally Posted by 217Bimmer (Post 15073305)
goes for all of congress and senate who among other things have different pensions, raises, and health care than those they serve. it's a fvcking joke.

Agreed. Wish I could vote for my own raises

casino is no lie 01-18-2013 11:51 AM

It's a tough job. The less he has to worry about trivial matters the more he can focus on important issues. The same can be said about almost any job. Certainly there is a line between acceptable and irresponsible, but it's a reality that we simply have to understand.

And JonJon is wrong. You don't elect servants to be leaders. Ultimately he may have to answer to the people, but it's the people who willingly select the man to lead their nation.

JonJon 01-18-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by casino is no lie (Post 15073352)
Ultimately he may have to answer to the people, but it's the people who willingly select the man to lead their nation.

I can agree with you on that. We grant these people temporary authority to lead and make decisions, but a problem is created when the will of the people is ignored by far majority.

rdsesq 01-18-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JonJon (Post 15073395)
I can agree with you on that. We grant these people temporary authority to lead and make decisions, but a problem is created when the will of the people is ignored by far majority.

Obama won the popular vote. That is the will of the people. More people voted for him than against him. And for all those people who are able to vote under the rules of the constitution that didn't. Well, tough $h!t. They don't want to take care of their responsibility in the selection of elected officials (including the POTUS) they have nobody to blame but themselves. They don't vote. They are saying, I don't care who wins. So they are not counted in this imaginary "majority" or your imaginary "minority" either.

casino is no lie 01-18-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JonJon (Post 15073395)
I can agree with you on that. We grant these people temporary authority to lead and make decisions, but a problem is created when the will of the people is ignored by far majority.

There is a misconception that politicians have to do what their constituents want. The premise that they represent the people is taken too literally. They represent the people because their views and stances reflect the majority's. They would never have been elected otherwise. However, it does not mean that they are obligated to listen to their constituents.

217Bimmer 01-18-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by casino is no lie (Post 15073483)
There is a misconception that politicians have to do what their constituents want. The premise that they represent the people is taken too literally. They represent the people because their views and stances reflect the majority's. They would never have been elected otherwise. However, it does not mean that they are obligated to listen to their constituents.

hahaha glad you believe that. no, big corporations and people with power, money, and influence never have control of who is in office and how they vote. letting the general public vote is just a nice way to let them think they make a difference. :rofl:

MDydinanM 01-18-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmerfan08 (Post 15071781)
Being the President of the United States comes with a tremendous amount of pressure and responsibility. However, the commander in chief does enjoy preferential treatment most of us will never experience.

Some of those perks include: having his limo transported by plane wherever he travels, getting to see first-run and not-released movies free of charge, never stopping for a stop light or sign and his own private zip code.

Which brings us to today's Just Explain It.

What's the value of the presidency when you add in all the perks for being Commander-in-Chief?

We may never be able to put a dollar amount on the value of the presidency. That's because some of the costs associated with the position are buried in many different budgets and scattered between different governmental departments.

Let's take a look at some of the presidential perks covered by your tax dollars. They not only make the president's life easier, they're for security and practical purposes too.

Number one -- the president's salary is $400,000 a year. The Chief Executive also gets a budget for entertainment, business and travel expenses.

Number two -- Transportation. To get the president from place to place safely, he has Air Force One, Marine One and a limo available at a moment's notice. A 2012 Congressional Research Service report found that Air Force One costs about $180,000 an hour to operate.

According to the Hawaii Reporter, one round-trip flight to Honolulu by President Obama last month cost about $3.2 million. But the president made two of them because of the fiscal cliff crisis. That doubled the price tag to $6.4 million.

Number three - The White House. For the 2008 fiscal year, Bradley Patterson, a retired Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, estimated the cost of running the White House was almost $1.6 billion. And that amount didn't include unpublished classified expenses.

The president's White house staff also comes at a steep price. In 2012, the White House reported its payroll grew from $37 million in 2011 to $37.8 million. The list includes 468 names. 139 of which make more than $100,000 a year.

Number four - Secret Service access. Protecting the President takes a great deal of manpower. The agency's budget this year is $1.6 billion. A portion of that will go toward protecting president while in office and for life.

And number five - Retirement plan. According to CNBC, President Obama will receive over $191,000 a year for life as soon as he leaves office.

A former president's net worth can grow substantially in retirement. After two terms in office, The Atlantic magazine reported Bill Clinton's net worth at around $40 million. The increase was due to numerous speaking engagements and book deals.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/just-...203926005.html

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Just Explain It: Who Pays For Presidential Perks?
Your tax dollars do...

1. I wish this article would be more objective instead of specifically citing Obama.

In general, the Office of the President, and to run the country, is expensive.

Item 1: $400K salary. Don't really have an opinion on this, though I think the pay should be commensurate with the Office of the President. What that equates to, I don't know.

Item 2: Transportation. This "perk" is also force protection. A lot goes into protecting the president. With lessons learned over time, (e.g. Kennedy was in a convertible car, hence now presidential limos are closed roofed) has increased the cost of these protection measures, as well as the advent of better technology. Additionally, when the president is traveling (especially overseas) transportation means is not suitable to provide the protection desired. Therefor they need their own transportation and organic assets. Secondly, there is also communication systems. From Air Force 1 to the limousines, a whole suite of secure communications are outfitted to these vehicles for command and control purposes, and in the case of AF1, to run the country. Third is speed and efficiency. Presidents have a busy schedule throughout the day, and items on his calender are planned days, weeks, even months in advance. To meet requirements, and do what the POTUS needs to do, requires speed and efficiency in transportation. Hence the motorcade, or more often Marine 1 helicopters flying around.

Item 2A. Costs. While it all comes out of our taxes, there are some shared costs. For example, OMB allocates X dollars to the Air Force and XX dollars to the Marine Corps. The services take it out of their own allocated funds to operate and maintain Presidential transport (AF 1 and Marine 1).

Item 5. Retirement and Pensions. I'm not entirely sold if only 4 years in office should warrant a pension. But look at Congressmen as well, as well as voting to increase their own salaries. Kind of a conflict of interests to me. I guess if being a politician wasn't lucrative, no one would want to do it. :rofl:

Act of God 01-18-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 217Bimmer (Post 15073305)
goes for all of congress and senate who among other things have different pensions, raises, and health care than those they serve. it's a fvcking joke.

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