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MJM Distributing 01-17-2013 10:29 PM

Low-Down + Facts + Skinny: Springs vs Coilovers vs Air Suspension!
 
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You see tons and tons of threads asking what suspension one should go with on their vehicle. Much like a set of wheels, a good steak, a cold beer (or even a hot woman), very few men want the same thing from their suspension. We're pretty much all different, have different driving habits, want to go in a different direction with our projects, drive our cars more or less daily (or weekly) than the next fella, and last, but not least, live in different parts of the country (or state) where driving conditions make all the difference in the world with the suspension you decide to go with. We'll go out on a limb here and say that we're probably one of the few (if only) shops around with *in-house* shop cars that run on every darn combo you can think of - air suspension (Air Lift), coilovers (both KONI and B&G) springs with shocks (Eibach Pro-Kit with Bilstein HD), springs with shocks (NEUSPEED Sports with KONI Adjustable Sports) and yet another vehicle on a different combo of springs with shocks (a KONI FSD Eibach kit), ranging from a MK1 VW, a MK2 VW, a MK3 VW, an Audi B6 A4, a Suburban tow vehicle, two VW Corrados, a Mazda3 and an RX-7. Oh, and we'll be picking up a 335xi inside the next 180 days as a Bimmer project (our first) and it'll be on a set of coilovers that are TBA once we obtain the car. Yes, we like to collect cars and take up useless (or would that be precious?) space with them. The point? That we have the best of all worlds right here at our facility on each of our own in-house cars, drive them every day (and drive them hard), giving you hands-on experience and real world situations with air vs. coilovers vs. springs with matched shocks (both adjustable and non-adjustable). Without a doubt, there is a benefit and downside to each and no two people want the same thing from their suspension, hence why we have different vehicles here within our in-house projects all with different setups on them. Below will give you the breakdown of each:

SPRINGS WITH SHOCKS:

Because of cost, this is by far the most popular combination when choosing a performance suspension for your vehicle. This setup can pretty much give you the same benefits of coilovers without the ride height adjustability (that is if using KONI Sport Shocks). Rebound dampening adjustability (if using KONI Sport Shocks) can also be tailor-mated to the spring of your choice, again, giving you the same exact options of a good coilover kit. The downside, however, is that unlike coilovers or air, you cannot adjust the ride height. Determining what drop is right for you (i.e. .75", 1", 1.5", 2", etc) and deciding on what springs to go with (B&G, Eibach, H&R, Vogtland, NEUSPEED) is the biggest challenge. How low (or not low) do you want to go? Do you want the option of adjusting them for softness or firmness, or would you simply like a non-adjustable shock like the KONI Street (Orange) Shocks or Bilstein Sport Shocks?

COILOVER KITS:

No different than a spring with shock combo, but with the ability to adjust ride height and rebound dampening adjustability (kit dependent). Some kits on the market today offer rebound dampening and some do not (the difference being $$$$). All will offer ride height adjustments, though. Typically used for racing (most notably for corner balancing), coilovers are going to typically cost more than a spring and shock combo, but not typically as much as an air ride system. Most "real world" coilover users today are typically buying coilovers for the "idea" of having them and not necessarily for what they're intended for (racing and corner balancing). What we've found with a majority of our customers is that they're buying coilovers for their cars, dialing them in with ride height and dampening (where applicable) where they like it, then never, ever touching them again. That is nice and all, but somewhat defeats the purpose of spending $1000+ (or more) on a "racing" suspension, no? If you're comfortable with the 1.5" to 2" range (which is where a majority of your daily drivers are), why not just do a good spring with shock kit? A quality spring and shock combo (for a lot less money) will get you the same exact results with improved handling and steering response - and again - that adjustability should you go with a KONI Sport Shock. Ultimately, it's the end user's decision on what he wants to do, but nowadays it seems that most people just want to be able to say, "I have coilovers!" as opposed to actually using them for the track or the other types of racing they're intended for.

AIR SUSPENSION:

Obviously, air is going to be the most superior in "adjustability" options when it comes to suspension. Air ride is not a full-on "racing" suspension, but nor is a spring and shock combination necessarily one, either. For real world conditions (i.e. daily driving with occasional "spirited driving"), an air setup can be the perfect solution for those wanting comfort and ride height adjustability. Air will indeed ride the best in respect to comfort, but also comes with a price tag and minor trunk space loss that springs with shocks or coilovers do not have you sacrificing (hopefully you don't play golf). Even then, however, there are kits available with small compressors and tanks where a good portion of your trunk can be retained with false floors, hiding components, etc (something we can do for you here in-house at MJM). We recently removed coilovers on one of our cars (our B6 Audi A4 1.8TQ as seen in this month's "Eurotuner Magazine") and replaced it with air and two things were immediately evident:

1) The handling did not change whatsoever.

2) The ride comfort did indeed get better after changing over to air.

Air ride, however, is not for everyone, but on the particular car we did it on here at our facility, we would not go back to any other suspension setup and the difference is night and day over coilovers. In hindsight, we wish we would have made the decision to bag one of our cars a lot earlier than we did. It's cool for only about 101 different reasons, but not exactly something we want on each and every one of our 9 in-house project cars here at MJM, and again, it's certainly not for everyone (as they say, to each his own).

Suspension makes up for a fair percentage of our business here and we have experience with pretty much every single combination of setups you could imagine. Feel free to email us through our site (www.mjmautohaus.com) for some 1-on-1 consultation on what would work best for you based on your driving style, driving habits, road conditions, performance desires and budget for suspension modding. Again, we're the sole Warehouse Distributors for Air Lift, B&G Suspension, Eibach, H&R Special Springs KONI and NEUSPEED here in South Texas with more *in-stock* suspension part numbers than any single distributor in our region and have experience with any setup your little heart desires. Whether you want the "static" of the firm and denture-loosing setup of something like an H&R Race Spring (or Eibach Sportline) with KONI's famed adjustable Sport Shock or the OEM + and OEM feel of an KONI FSD Shock Kit (that rides better than a factory car), we're here to serve you with what most folks want to do first with their car - THE SUSPENSION! Feel free to hit us up if we can help or if you have any questions.

Madshady 01-18-2013 12:13 AM

what would it cost to change a 04 325i to air ride and on a scale 1 to 10 how hard would it be to diy

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MJM Distributing 01-18-2013 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Madshady (Post 15072084)
what would it cost to change a 04 325i to air ride and on a scale 1 to 10 how hard would it be to diy

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The actual bottom line "cost" varies quite a bit depending on many things. The beauty of air is that it's extremely easy to do yourself (especially with the Air Lift kits). I mean, if you can install springs and shocks (which are very straight forward and 100% bolt-on and bolt-off) along with wiring up power, ground and remote (just like you would a car stereo), then you can install your own air suspension. Yes, it's that easy. Now, however, where the "expertise" comes in (for lack of a better word) is when you start determining how you want your trunk to look. You sure in the heck don't want to just bolt down your compressor, tank, board brains and all that jazz. You'd like it to look neat back there, maybe with a false floor hiding some of the components, tucking some things away, etc. It's much like you would with a stereo system. Just like you wouldn't just throw some subs in the back and glue down your amps, you wouldn't do it with your air stuff. You want it clean back there. That is why the pricing can differentiate from install to install. Did you want it integrated with your sub box? Two small air tanks (instead of one bigger one) tucked away in the sides, etc? Again, that's where pricing differentiates.

rcsummers 01-18-2013 10:16 AM

great write up. id love air in the M3, but i'd rather put it in something more luxurious....maybe a e38.

MJM Distributing 01-24-2013 02:44 PM

A ONCE LOCAL LAD'S E46 M3 THAT SAT ON AIR BEFORE BEING TOTALED!

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sweet jones 01-24-2013 02:54 PM

OMG! how could someone do that to a race car?!

MJM Distributing 01-28-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sweet jones (Post 15092520)
OMG! how could someone do that to a race car?!

Danny's M3 was never a "race" car, per se. He drove it aggressively on air and it handled extremely well. Cars equipped with air suspension are tracked all the time (we'll post a cool video shortly showing you guys). Dampening and spring rates can also be tuned with select air kits. If you're building a "TRACK ONLY" car, then no, air is not the direction you want to go in. However, if you're building a car that is driven daily (and driven a lot), that you want to ride like a stock car without loosening your dentures, and it's a car you want to take out on track days every now and then, air suspension is a great option if you've got that kind of budget to work with.

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MJM Distributing 01-30-2013 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweet jones (Post 15092520)
OMG! how could someone do that to a race car?!

Danny has jokes! :clap:

Eurohb 02-01-2013 12:04 PM

If the price is right.. how much is it for a 323iT? I am interested in a basic air set up.

MJM Distributing 02-05-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurohb (Post 15119296)
If the price is right.. how much is it for a 323iT? I am interested in a basic air set up.

Please PM us. Thanks.

MJM Distributing 03-13-2013 08:36 PM

A TRUNK WE JUST FINISHED UP THIS WEEK - EVERYTHING HIDDEN WITH A CLEAN OEM + INSTALL!

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sjacoby112 03-13-2013 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MJM Distributing (Post 15092476)
A LOCAL LAD'S E46 M3 THAT SAT ON AIR!

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non m fenders??? why???:dunno:

trippmann 03-14-2013 08:10 PM

those are actually m fenders, they just have the side grills shaved. some people prefer that smooth clean look.

also, shame on you for not having an e30 kit!!!!! haha jk. ill check back in a year and see if it ever happens.

MJM Distributing 03-22-2013 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by trippmann (Post 15251263)
those are actually m fenders, they just have the side grills shaved. some people prefer that smooth clean look.

also, shame on you for not having an e30 kit!!!!! haha jk. ill check back in a year and see if it ever happens.

We agree that it looks better without the vents. Staying cleanly shaven is never a bad thing...

domcreates 04-30-2013 10:14 AM

will a 1999 323i be able to lay frame or bumpers with this kit? or will it be slight above the ground? an inch?

MJM Distributing 06-25-2013 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by domcreates (Post 15385008)
will a 1999 323i be able to lay frame or bumpers with this kit? or will it be slight above the ground? an inch?

Are you looking to set the entire chassis on the ground?

With it set all the way down, the car will be about an inch off the pavement.

MJM Distributing 08-21-2013 11:13 PM

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