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M3N7AL 01-20-2013 10:17 PM

E46 M3 Race Comparisons (Track)
 
I read another thread on this site just before and it got me thinking.

From people's experience with E46 M3's, what information do you have regarding:

Racing another car make/model (around a track or 1/4 mile)
Beating/Losing another car make/model
Power comparisons with other car make/model
Driving experience compared to other car make/model

Please DO NOT post videos or stories about illegal drag racing on public roads.

This is purely for safe/track races.

Just like to hear and gather some info

M3N7AL 01-20-2013 10:21 PM

I can start.. I have an E46 M3 Vert (pretty much stock besides a few things and a complete suspension package)

I've raced Golfs and a F355 berlinetta (6 speed) at the track and had success against both cars. I find that the E46 M3 does well against a lot of regular cars/sports cars even though mine is a vert.

1/4 mile time for an E46 M3 vert? What are your experiences?

And what about 335i Vert vs E46 M3 Vert.. how would they stack up against each other on 1/4 and around a track?

CortinaD 01-20-2013 10:42 PM

I have come to the conclusion most new stuff writes me off. Nothing destroys to the point of embarrassment but if I stay out for 15 laps I will get lapped without question.

M3N7AL 01-20-2013 10:52 PM

Can you name the type of cars and what really impressed you out of them.

BMW E465 01-21-2013 12:08 AM

I heard Roger Cordia's car beat an E46 M3 recently...

M3N7AL 01-21-2013 12:09 AM

Roger Cordia, lol is that dude still around?

DeclanM3 01-21-2013 12:18 AM

Track stuff is a bit hard to measure though as it often comes down to experience and how much you're willing to push your car.

I've been on track with an E92 M3 and was pulling away in the corners then he'd catch up a bit on the straights. But it was a casual day and most of us were out there to have fun not to compete so I'm sure he was just driving at what he was comfortable with.

There was a 1M that was fkn quick, had no chance of holding him so I let him pass. Was pretty impressed with that car!

I have also been on track with a 360 vert that I'd say was pushing similarly to me. I found us to be pretty close. I was unable to use 2nd gear in some slow spots as I was driving around a driveshaft issue (since been replaced). I think 2nd gear would've given me the edge. I'll post videos when I get home.

M3N7AL 01-21-2013 12:23 AM

Awesome..

I find that i'm quicker than a lot of other similar euro cars.

What about 1/4 mile - straights?

CortinaD 01-21-2013 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by M3N7AL (Post 15079978)
Can you name the type of cars and what really impressed you out of them.

997 Porsche Cup, Lambo Gallardo GT3, GT40, 997 GT3 RS, Lotus Cup, Porsche Group N, Ferrari 430, GTR R35, 930 Ruf are the regulars.

The sheer speed of them, the slowest laps about 5 seconds quicker than mine and the fastest a whole 15 to 16 seconds out of a 2.6km track.

forzamilan10 01-21-2013 12:49 AM

A lot of exotics have been mentioned already in this thread, I'd like to give the Megane RS Cup 250 a good wrap, those hatches are proper fast, it's scary to believe what kind of lap times it can punch out given it's driveaway price.

CortinaD 01-21-2013 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forzamilan10 (Post 15080211)
A lot of exotics have been mentioned already in this thread, I'd like to give the Megane RS Cup 250 a good wrap, those hatches are proper fast, it's scary to believe what kind of lap times it can punch out given it's driveaway price.

I'd bet they would be quicker than a e46 m3.

MJ80 01-21-2013 02:49 AM

I wouldn't have thought so ? considerably less powerful and at the end of the day still FWD, 6.0 -100, about 1400kg, not as much torque, yet probably makes that power a little lower in the RPM which is good.

Still wouldn't think they would have it over the E46 at the track ?

CortinaD 01-21-2013 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ80 (Post 15080403)
I wouldn't have thought so ? considerably less powerful and at the end of the day still FWD, 6.0 -100, about 1400kg, not as much torque, yet probably makes that power a little lower in the RPM which is good.

Still wouldn't think they would have it over the E46 at the track ?

The mini gp has less power than the megane and is 1 second off the m3 around the ring and for all purposes the megane is arguably much quicker all round than the other fwds

DeclanM3 01-21-2013 03:12 AM

Videos as promised..

http://youtu.be/sLM_GC7XrKY

http://youtu.be/CfqNtjSFyA8

http://youtu.be/V3Ny5hIvJBE

MJ80 01-21-2013 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CortinaD (Post 15080425)
The mini gp has less power than the megane and is 1 second off the m3 around the ring and for all purposes the megane is arguably much quicker all round than the other fwds

Sorry but so what ? i didn't say anything about a mini and neither did you until now ? are we not talking about the megane ? the figures i stated are for it and i cannot see how a FWD with those figures would be quicker than the e46 M3, although happy to be proven wrong i would be very very surprised if it can just defy physics and go quicker despite all of that.

DeclanM3 01-21-2013 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ80 (Post 15080537)
Sorry but so what ? i didn't say anything about a mini and neither did you until now ? are we not talking about the megane ? the figures i stated are for it and i cannot see how a FWD with those figures would be quicker than the e46 M3, although happy to be proven wrong i would be very very surprised if it can just defy physics and go quicker despite all of that.

Dwayne is trying to put things into perspective. No one has mentioned a direct comparison between the Meganne and the M3, ergo he has provide a comparison between the M3 and a similar FWD car. If the Mini is 1 second off the pace around The Nürburgring and has less power than the Meganne which is 'arguably much quicker all round than the other fwds' then logic would say the Meganne would be on the pace, if not quicker than the M3 around The Nürburgring.

MJ80 01-21-2013 04:46 AM

Right makes sense now.

CortinaD 01-21-2013 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeclanM3 (Post 15080546)
Dwayne is trying to put things into perspective. No one has mentioned a direct comparison between the Meganne and the M3, ergo he has provide a comparison between the M3 and a similar FWD car. If the Mini is 1 second off the pace around The Nürburgring and has less power than the Meganne which is 'arguably much quicker all round than the other fwds' then logic would say the Meganne would be on the pace, if not quicker than the M3 around The Nürburgring.


Thanks dec. Yes I am talking about a different car because i cant find cpmparison against the megane but can against the mini which is similar in that it does 0-100 in 6.3 and is 40hp shy of the Megane and only 250odd kg lighter yet laps the same.

I own both a m3 and the jcw coupe which has same specs as gp (near enough) and on paper it looks slower but I can assure you that unless the m3 is committed and wrung out the mini is as quick as if not quicker so I would money on the megane being the same as all the reviews on that show its an animal.

M3N7AL 01-21-2013 05:11 AM

Hey Dec, what mods you got? Nice video dude.

Are those paddles from ebay? They look awesome.

DeclanM3 01-21-2013 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CortinaD (Post 15080569)
Thanks dec. Yes I am talking about a different car because i cant find cpmparison against the megane but can against the mini which is similar in that it does 0-100 in 6.3 and is 40hp shy of the Megane and only 250odd kg lighter yet laps the same.

I own both a m3 and the jcw coupe which has same specs as gp (near enough) and on paper it looks slower but I can assure you that unless the m3 is committed and wrung out the mini is as quick as if not quicker so I would money on the megane being the same as all the reviews on that show its an animal.

I think what a lot of people don't realise is that although the M3 can get to 100 in 4.8 seconds (might be a couple of tenths off on that stat) it's not as easily achieved as most cars. Most cars on the street, 135s, golfs etc. etc. achieve their optimum 0-100's or very close to that with relative ease if they are auto.

The SMG M3 on the other hand is a hard car to get off the line quickly without looking like a tosser and using LC. Sometimes if you punch it then the car will rev and dump the clutch which I reckon is the quickest way to get off the line but that's only if you start the timing when the clutch drops.

My point is that the M3 is no straight line dragster. If you want a straight line weapon then get a 135 and whack on a tune, DPs, meth, FMIC and a couple of other bits and bobs. Not many cars will come close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3N7AL (Post 15080574)
Hey Dec, what mods you got? Nice video dude.

Are those paddles from ebay? They look awesome.

Cheers mate. No mods at that stage besides the paddles, ipod interface etc. Paddles were from eBay - one of my best bang for buck mods!

I have H&R Sports in it now so keen to see how they go at the track!


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