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choxor 01-30-2013 09:26 AM

Mexico 'welcomes' new U.S. immigration reform push
 
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/29/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2


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But there are an estimated 6.8 million undocumented immigrants from Mexico living in the United States who could benefit from such an overhaul of the U.S. immigration system. And that's a statistic that isn't lost on Mexican officials, who have been pushing for changes in U.S. immigration policies for years.
Glad to see we have the support of the cartels. But Mexico opening its borders or allowing foreigners to buy beach front property? Well, let's just not talk about that.

casino is no lie 01-30-2013 09:30 AM

6.8 million undocumented immigrants is an astonishing number. I cannot imagine that's cheap.




edit: I cannot spell worth a ****

Many330i 01-30-2013 09:32 AM

It is an astonishing number, that's why action is needed now!

choxor 01-30-2013 09:36 AM

But hey, that's 6.8 million potential voters, too, for whichever party greases the wheel.

badfast 01-30-2013 09:40 AM

Mexico's is looking for its own Mariel boatlift.

Act of God 01-30-2013 10:13 AM

Millions of guaranteed recipient class Democrats, awesome

2000_328CI 01-30-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 15111028)
Millions of guaranteed recipient class Democrats, awesome

This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.

evolved 01-30-2013 10:25 AM

Isn't this a bipartisan push?

VALMONT 01-30-2013 10:26 AM

as long as it doesn't effect the price of produce :eeps:


on topic, oh yay our south of the border corrupt neighbor supports this. maybe they should fix their own country first.

2000_328CI 01-30-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by evolved (Post 15111050)
Isn't this a bipartisan push?

It is a bipartisan push for "reform"... what that includes however is polarizing.

What annoys me is that the narative will be as follows :

1. Democrats push for legalizing illegals and giving them the ability to vote... KNOWING that Hispanics vote overwhelmingly democratic
2. Republicans will push for reform that does NOT include the right to vote.
3. Democrats will label the republicans as bigots and racists for trying to deny the vote... REGARDLESS of whatever logic will be used against it.
4. Democrats will win after enough outrage and anger is placed at the feet of republicans
5. Democrats receive massive votes from former illegals who now have the ability to vote.

The democrats will then wipe their hands of the entitlement spending that will result.

evolved 01-30-2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15111063)
It is a bipartisan push for "reform"... what that includes however is polarizing.

What annoys me is that the narative will be as follows :

1. Democrats push for legalizing illegals and giving them the ability to vote... KNOWING that Hispanics vote overwhelmingly democratic
2. Republicans will push for reform that does NOT include the right to vote.
3. Democrats will label the republicans as bigots and racists for trying to deny the vote... REGARDLESS of whatever logic will be used against it.
4. Democrats will win after enough outrage and anger is placed at the feet of republicans
5. Democrats receive massive votes from former illegals who now have the ability to vote.

The democrats will then wipe their hands of the entitlement spending that will result.

I'm interested to see what argument the Republicans will have as to why they should not be allowed to vote. Using the line of reasoning that it'll add more votes for the D's is not a valid argument to deny people a vote.

badfast 01-30-2013 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15111063)
It is a bipartisan push for "reform"... what that includes however is polarizing.

What annoys me is that the narative will be as follows :

1. Democrats push for legalizing illegals and giving them the ability to vote... KNOWING that Hispanics vote overwhelmingly democratic
2. Republicans will push for reform that does NOT include the right to vote.
3. Democrats will label the republicans as bigots and racists for trying to deny the vote... REGARDLESS of whatever logic will be used against it.

4. Democrats will win after enough outrage and anger is placed at the feet of republicans
5. Democrats receive massive votes from former illegals who now have the ability to vote.

The democrats will then wipe their hands of the entitlement spending that will result.

Not understanding your post, can you address what you mean by the bolded. If they become legal citizens why try to restrict their right to vote? I don't see any logic in this.

sammk 01-30-2013 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 15111028)
Millions of guaranteed recipient class Democrats, awesome

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15111045)
This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ons/?hpt=po_c2

"Why this time? On immigration, McCain points to 'elections'"

choxor 01-30-2013 10:46 AM

Pretty sure both sides will readily pander to this demographic.

casino is no lie 01-30-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15111045)
This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.

President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which legalized close to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Stop your unjustified complaining.

2000_328CI 01-30-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by badfast (Post 15111099)
Not understanding your post, can you address what you mean by the bolded. If they become legal citizens why try to restrict their right to vote? I don't see any logic in this.

This past election has signaled the future of this country. You have two camps.. those that want to provide for themselves and those that want to be provided for. Look at the most recent rumors in the inner circles of the white house...

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As the actions of his first term made clear, and as his second inaugural address declared, President Barack Obama is committed to a distinctive vision of American government. It emphasizes the importance of free enterprise, and firmly rejects “equality of result,” but it is simultaneously committed to ensuring both fair opportunity and decent security for all.

In these respects, Obama is updating Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Second Bill of Rights. To be sure, his second term has barely started, and his precise place in history remains to be established. Yet we can’t appreciate the arc of American politics, or the nation’s current situation and prospects, without understanding the Second Bill.
Read more : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...of-rights.html

As this is pushed, so will the belief that those rights should extend to immigrants.. but what happens when you say "we will give you everything you want, regardless of where you're born.. so long as you're in the US"? Of course, impoverished mexicans will walk across (as will illegals from countries around the globe) to take advantage of those freebies.

The US can NOT AFFORD to provide a home, job, clothes, food, and an iPad to everyone in the world"... And pushing for legislation even resembling that is just asinine.

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Originally Posted by casino is no lie (Post 15111113)
President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which legalized close to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Stop your unjustified complaining.

Our country's entitlement system is VASTLY different than it was in the 80's... and Reagan's law pushed for reform which included ENDING illegal immigration into this country. It hasn't worked and we CAN NOT give handouts to anyone who wants to walk across the fawking desert.

casino is no lie 01-30-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 2000_328CI (Post 15111159)
Our country's entitlement system is VASTLY different than it was in the 80's... and Reagan's law pushed for reform which included ENDING illegal immigration into this country. It hasn't worked and we CAN NOT give handouts to anyone who wants to walk across the fawking desert.

In other words... Reagan failed to deliver meaningful immigration reform and consequently provided amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants. Let's see how Bush did...


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Originally Posted by The Washington Post

Bush Proposal Prompted Surge in Illegal Immigrants

President Bush's proposal for a guest worker program to help stem the tide of illegal immigration actually prompted a surge of illegal border-crossings that the administration then sought to cover up, a watchdog group charged today, citing a 2004 survey by the U.S. Border Patrol.

Judicial Watch, a Washington-based public interest group, said the survey, obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request, showed that 61 percent of a sample of detainees who had been caught illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexican border in the wake of Bush's proposal said they had been informed by the Mexican government or the media that the Bush administration was offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. Nearly 45 percent said the purported amnesty influenced their decision to enter the United States illegally, Judicial Watch said. -- Source



Do you even lift?

badfast 01-30-2013 11:06 AM

I still don't understand how that relates to the right of voting. If they become US citizens why would one attempt to restrict their right to vote?

choxor 01-30-2013 11:12 AM

If they become US citizens there's no problem with voting. The question is how that citizenship is obtained. Do we hold them to the same standard as other immigrants, like my mother? Or do we wave a magic wand and expedite the process because they're from Mexico and a rich source of votes.

I'm not playing to either side here. The transparency of this whole this is pretty apparent, though.

casino is no lie 01-30-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by choxor (Post 15111207)
If they become US citizens there's no problem with voting. The question is how that citizenship is obtained. Do we hold them to the same standard as other immigrants, like my mother? Or do we wave a magic wand and expedite the process because they're from Mexico and a rich source of votes.

I'm not playing to either side here. The transparency of this whole this is pretty apparent, though.

:read:

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The Mexican government hasn't weighed in on specific details in this week's proposal from eight U.S. senators, a plan that would give undocumented immigrants immediate but provisional legal status to live and work in America, and eventually allow them to apply for green cards.


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