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Robaidh 04-05-2013 03:03 PM

how do i detail my freshly painted car?
 
Hi folks

i have a ok knollage on how to detail a car. However i am in the middle of doing a Full color change on my bm. its going frozen white with blue pearl through the clear coat and a black high gloss roof and wing mirrors and lip spoiler. the original colour is topaz blue.

I am just wonder how soon after it rolls out the booth can i detail it, (i hate having a dirty car)

also what stuff is the best to use and what stuff should i NOT use?

thanks robaidh

Brevik 04-05-2013 03:41 PM

It can be cleaned right away, but not waxed. Most shops will do a wet sand and buff to knock down any orange peel so in most cases it has already been cleaned up before you picked it up.

I would ask this same question of your paint guy to see what his answer is as well.

Please post pics too :-)

Robaidh 04-05-2013 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breiwa1 (Post 15315653)
It can be cleaned right away, but not waxed. Most shops will do a wet sand and buff to knock down any orange peel so in most cases it has already been cleaned up before you picked it up.

I would ask this same question of your paint guy to see what his answer is as well.

Please post pics too :-)

hi thanks for the reply. its me and my pal thats doing it, hes a sprayer to trade. he said 3-4 weeks but i just want to get more than one oppinion.

taveet330i 04-05-2013 03:53 PM

HAND wax with turtle wax caranuba. Give a nice sheen and eye popping finish to the paint. And im on for pics too! :thumbup:

[bimmerapp]

Robaidh 04-05-2013 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taveet 330i Dallas (Post 15315674)
HAND wax with turtle wax caranuba. Give a nice sheen and eye popping finish to the paint. And im on for pics too! :thumbup:

[bimmerapp]

cool thanks dude, yeh i will post a thread up with pics of the process and finnished article. hopefully get it painted later this week or next week

JJR4884 04-05-2013 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robaidh (Post 15315568)
Hi folks

i have a ok knollage on how to detail a car.

You most certainly do!!!

Rule of thumb for me... washing is fine, don't wax the car for a month. Nowadays paints cure from the heat/lighting in paint booth, but i always stick to what i was told years ago. Half peace of mind, half ignorance.

:dunno:

Robaidh 04-05-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurreyF1 (Post 15315683)
You most certainly do!!!

Rule of thumb for me... washing is fine, don't wax the car for a month. Nowadays paints cure from the heat/lighting in paint booth, but i always stick to what i was told years ago. Half peace of mind, half ignorance.

:dunno:

Okay thank you, should i just use a shampoo and stay away from shampoo and wax wash?

JJR4884 04-05-2013 04:02 PM

Always stay away from the shampoo/wash mix, its a marketing gimmick and it does nothing for the car...

Robaidh 04-05-2013 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurreyF1 (Post 15315696)
Always stay away from the shampoo/wash mix, its a marketing gimmick and it does nothing for the car...

okay yeh i had kinda though that myself, thanks for the help

Robaidh 04-05-2013 04:08 PM

thanks for the help guys

Brevik 04-05-2013 04:50 PM

Since it is being done by a friend I would look into a few "how to wet sand and buff" fresh paint diy, or pay a pro to do it, it will make all the difference in the world. It can make a decent paint job look much more professional.

I recently had my winter truck painted by a hack on the cheap and it looked so bad I did a full wet sand and buff on it, and it looks super now, but I used to paint cars many years ago and feel comfortable enough. It is not for the faint of heart as burn throughs can be heartbreaking.

dreamdrivedrift 04-05-2013 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taveet 330i Dallas (Post 15315674)
HAND wax with turtle wax caranuba. Give a nice sheen and eye popping finish to the paint. And im on for pics too! :thumbup:

[bimmerapp]

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

wrong

wrong

You do NOT wax or put any sort of sealant on a freshly painted car unless it has already been baked. New paint needs time to cure!

TOGWT 04-06-2013 05:40 AM

DO NOT apply a wax, sealant or coating type products on new (non OEM) paint

Be cognizant that OEM and refinish paint used by body shops are different formulations, even if it’s the same paint manufacturer; this is due to the way the paint is cured. OEM paint is applied to a body that has no wiring, upholstery and etc so it can be subjected to elevated temperatures that would not be possible on a refinished vehicle

The majority of refinish paint is supplied by BASF DuPont, PPG and Sherwin Williams is 2K (2 component paint + activator) polyurethane systems; one component is polyisocyanate and the second is a polyol (acrylic or polyester polyol). Solvent-based paints (which still constitutes the majority of what is still being used, low solvent content VOC compliant) once the two components react they form a strong polymer chain. Or a water-based paint, much more prevalent in European imports than US mfg vehicles

Newly applied paint is soft, much softer than OEM paint, dehydration (drying) is a different process from cross-linking; while newly refinished paint is about 90% cured within 24 hours, even with the help of a drying oven and various additives, and will fully harden (dehydrate) after 60-90 days dependent upon local environmental conditions


Fresh paint safe glaze’ - while a paint is cross linking, using solvent- based waxes or sealants is not ideal since the solvents penetrate the paint and soften it and will interfere with the outgas / cross linking process.
The common ingredients in a’ fresh paint safe’ glaze are: water, glycerine or mineral oils(to produce a high shine) and a mild abrasive Kaolin (China clay) to burnish the surface and produce a gloss, some polymers are also formulated as ‘fresh paint safe’ for the same reasons

The application of a specific ‘fresh paint safe’ water-based or polymer type product, Zaino Polishes (exclude the use of either Z1 or ZFX™) Optimum Car Wax is water-based and is safe on fresh paint, or use Presta Fast it’s a liquefied paste wax manufactured with premium, natural and synthetic ingredients. This unique wax can be applied over 24-hour old clear coat and single-stage finishes without risk of die back, because it creates a breathable film that permits solvents to cross the wax film. Allow an ‘initial gas off’ (evaporate) /cure aerobic process of 7 days before application

These products are completely safe for any fresh paint system as they allow the solvents in a water-based paint to outgas / aerobic cure process and provide some protection for any type of paint surface.

After thirty days (30) the paint surface can be protected with a regular polymer sealant and/or Carnauba wax.


If in doubt ask the body shop or the person who painted your vehicle

ccagle 04-06-2013 06:07 AM

If you listen to any post, excluding the one above, you should save your money and wait till you have enough to get a new car..... Listening to most of the posts here will ruin it...

If you really car about your paint, listen to the above post and YouTube Junkman2000. You'll get plenty of great tips and advise on how to properly care for your paint...

BTW- if you even attempt to put Turtle Wax on your car, well just please don't do it. You'd have better luck pissing on it....

scrace 04-06-2013 11:57 AM

You should ask whoever painted the car but usually it's 4-12 weeks before you can PUT ANYTHING ON THE PAINT. My friend just had a car painted and was told to only clean it with water before 8 weeks before he can do anything else.

The painter will know best depending on whatever paint they used.

Robaidh 04-06-2013 12:51 PM

okay thanks guys that's a big help, as i said earlier i just wanted a second opinion so that i don't go and destroy my new paint job.

thanks

Robaidh 04-06-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOGWT (Post 15316834)
DO NOT apply a wax, sealant or coating type products on new (non OEM) paint

Be cognizant that OEM and refinish paint used by body shops are different formulations, even if it’s the same paint manufacturer; this is due to the way the paint is cured. OEM paint is applied to a body that has no wiring, upholstery and etc so it can be subjected to elevated temperatures that would not be possible on a refinished vehicle

The majority of refinish paint is supplied by BASF DuPont, PPG and Sherwin Williams is 2K (2 component paint + activator) polyurethane systems; one component is polyisocyanate and the second is a polyol (acrylic or polyester polyol). Solvent-based paints (which still constitutes the majority of what is still being used, low solvent content VOC compliant) once the two components react they form a strong polymer chain. Or a water-based paint, much more prevalent in European imports than US mfg vehicles

Newly applied paint is soft, much softer than OEM paint, dehydration (drying) is a different process from cross-linking; while newly refinished paint is about 90% cured within 24 hours, even with the help of a drying oven and various additives, and will fully harden (dehydrate) after 60-90 days dependent upon local environmental conditions


Fresh paint safe glaze’ - while a paint is cross linking, using solvent- based waxes or sealants is not ideal since the solvents penetrate the paint and soften it and will interfere with the outgas / cross linking process.
The common ingredients in a’ fresh paint safe’ glaze are: water, glycerine or mineral oils(to produce a high shine) and a mild abrasive Kaolin (China clay) to burnish the surface and produce a gloss, some polymers are also formulated as ‘fresh paint safe’ for the same reasons

The application of a specific ‘fresh paint safe’ water-based or polymer type product, Zaino Polishes (exclude the use of either Z1 or ZFX™) Optimum Car Wax is water-based and is safe on fresh paint, or use Presta Fast it’s a liquefied paste wax manufactured with premium, natural and synthetic ingredients. This unique wax can be applied over 24-hour old clear coat and single-stage finishes without risk of die back, because it creates a breathable film that permits solvents to cross the wax film. Allow an ‘initial gas off’ (evaporate) /cure aerobic process of 7 days before application

These products are completely safe for any fresh paint system as they allow the solvents in a water-based paint to outgas / aerobic cure process and provide some protection for any type of paint surface.

After thirty days (30) the paint surface can be protected with a regular polymer sealant and/or Carnauba wax.


If in doubt ask the body shop or the person who painted your vehicle


Hi wow thanks for all the info. big help

we are useing ford frozen white 2k (2pack) if thats any help?

Can i use a presher washer and snow foam?
can i use normal car shampoo to was the car?
and can you give me some names/brands of any other products that i need to apply to the paint or any products that can apply to the paint so that i can get a good shine?

thanks

TOGWT 04-07-2013 03:11 PM

1. Can i use a presher washer and snow foam? Yes

2. can i use normal car shampoo to was the car? Make sure it doesn't contain wax

3. and can you give me some names/brands of any other products that i need to apply to the paint or any products that can apply to the paint so that i can get a good shine?Optimum Car Wax

Robaidh 04-07-2013 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOGWT (Post 15319518)
1. Can i use a presher washer and snow foam? Yes

2. can i use normal car shampoo to was the car? Make sure it doesn't contain wax

3. and can you give me some names/brands of any other products that i need to apply to the paint or any products that can apply to the paint so that i can get a good shine?Optimum Car Wax

grate thank you. should i leave it a couple weeks before washing it? and how long before i can wax it i normally youse auto glym HD wax?

scrace 04-08-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robaidh (Post 15319557)
grate thank you. should i leave it a couple weeks before washing it? and how long before i can wax it i normally youse auto glym HD wax?

Contact the painter. Depending on the paint you might not be able to use ANY type of cleaner on the paint besides water. I would not listen to people on the forums regarding which products you used, because they don't know the paint used. It's better to be safe than sorry.


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