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Act of God 06-12-2013 08:32 PM

(IMHO) Coulter Nails it on the Amnesty Issue
 
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-06-12.html
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IF THE GOP IS THIS STUPID, IT DESERVES TO DIE
June 12, 2013

Democrats terrify Hispanics into thinking they'll be lynched if they vote for Republicans, and then turn around and taunt Republicans for not winning a majority of the Hispanic vote.

This line of attack has real resonance with our stupidest Republicans. (Proposed Republican primary targets: Sens. Kelly Ayotte, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio.) Which explains why Republicans are devoting all their energy to slightly increasing their share of the Hispanic vote while alienating everyone else in America.

It must be fun for liberals to manipulate Republicans into focusing on hopeless causes. Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners?

As journalist Steve Sailer recently pointed out, the Hispanic vote terrifying Republicans isn't that big. It actually declined in 2012. The Census Bureau finally released the real voter turnout numbers from the last election, and the Hispanic vote came in at only 8.4 percent of the electorate -- not the 10 percent claimed by the pro-amnesty crowd.

The sleeping giant of the last election wasn't Hispanics; it was elderly black women, terrified of media claims that Republicans were trying to suppress the black vote and determined to keep the first African-American president in the White House.

Contrary to everyone's expectations, 10 percent more blacks voted in 2012 compared to 2008, even beating white voters, the usual turnout champions. Eligible black voters turned out at rate of 66.2 percent, compared to 64.1 percent of eligible white voters. Only 48 percent of all eligible Hispanic voters went to the polls.

No one saw this coming, which is probably why Gallup had Romney up by 5 points before Hurricane Sandy hit, and up by 1 point in its last pre-election poll after the hurricane.
Only two groups voted in larger numbers in 2012 compared to 2008: blacks aged 45-64, and blacks over the age of 65 -- mostly elderly black women.

In raw numbers, nearly twice as many blacks voted as Hispanics, and nine times as many whites voted as Hispanics. (Ninety-eight million whites, 18 million blacks and 11 million Hispanics.)


So, naturally, the Republican Party's entire battle plan going forward is to win slightly more votes from 8.4 percent of the electorate by giving them something they don't want.

As Byron York has shown, even if Mitt Romney had won 70 percent of the Hispanic vote, he still would have lost. No Republican presidential candidate in at least 50 years has won even half of the Hispanic vote.

In the presidential election immediately after Reagan signed an amnesty bill in 1986, the Republican share of the Hispanic vote actually declined from 37 percent to 30 percent -- and that was in a landslide election for the GOP. Combined, the two Bush presidents averaged 32.5 percent of the Hispanic vote -- and they have Hispanics in their family Christmas cards.

John McCain, the nation's leading amnesty proponent, won only 31 percent of the Hispanic vote, not much more than anti-amnesty Romney's 27 percent.
Amnesty is a gift to employers, not employees.


The (pro-amnesty) Pew Research Hispanic Center has produced poll after poll showing that Hispanics don't care about amnesty. In a poll last fall, Hispanic voters said they cared more about education, jobs and health care than immigration. They even care more about the federal budget deficit than immigration! (To put that in perspective, the next item on their list of concerns was "scratchy towels.")


Also, note that Pew asked about "immigration," not "amnesty." Those Hispanics who said they cared about immigration might care about it the way I care about it -- by supporting a fence and E-Verify.

Who convinced Republicans that Hispanic wages aren't low enough and what they really need is an influx of low-wage workers competing for their jobs?

Maybe the greedy businessmen now running the Republican Party should talk with their Hispanic maids sometime. Ask Juanita if she'd like to have seven new immigrants competing with her for the opportunity to clean other people's houses, so that her wages can be dropped from $20 an hour to $10 an hour.

A wise Latina, A.J. Delgado, recently explained on Mediaite.com why amnesty won't win Republicans the Hispanic vote -- even if they get credit for it. Her very first argument was: "Latinos will resent the added competition for jobs."

But rich businessmen don't care. Big Republican donors -- and their campaign consultants -- just want to make money. They don't care about Hispanics, and they certainly don't care what happens to the country. If the country is hurt, I don't care, as long as I am doing better! This is the very definition of treason.

Hispanic voters are a small portion of the electorate. They don't want amnesty, and they're hopeless Democrats. So Republicans have decided the path to victory is to flood the country with lots more of them!

It's as if Republicans convinced Democrats to fixate on banning birth control to win more pro-life voters. This would be great for Republicans because Democrats will never win a majority of pro-life voters, and about as many pro-lifers care about birth control as Hispanics care about amnesty.

But that still wouldn't be as idiotic as what Republicans are doing because, according to Gallup, pro-lifers are nearly half of the electorate. Hispanics are only 8.4 percent of the electorate.

And it still wouldn't be as stupid as the GOP pushing amnesty, because banning birth control wouldn't create millions more voters who consistently vote against the Democrats.

Listening to Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus burble a few weeks ago on "Fox News Sunday" about how amnesty is going to push the Republicans to new electoral heights, one is reminded of Democratic pollster Pat Caddell's reason for refusing to become a Republican: No matter how enraged he gets at Democratic corruption, he says he can't bear to join such a stupid party as the GOP.
Good use of statistics and history. Yes it is Ann Coulter, but try to read the numbers and the argument.

NFRs2000nyc 06-12-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 15499295)
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-06-12.html


Good use of statistics and history. Yes it is Ann Coulter, but try to read the numbers and the argument.

I actually agree with her assessment on this issue, but I fear this thread (because it's Coulter) wont go over well.:rofl:

evolved 06-12-2013 09:38 PM

She makes some good points, but she's still a giant cvnt :rofl:

Lair 06-12-2013 11:58 PM

I wish Ann would self-deport.

Rhumb 06-13-2013 12:40 PM

So what precisely is her conclusion? That the GOP should continue to dismiss and ignore the Hispanic vote as too small and thus, irrelevant?

Even if they only comprised 8.4% of the votes cast in 2012, that is still a very large block of votes, especially when that block went so convincingly Democratic. Sure, even winning 70% of the Hispanic vote wouldn't have bailed out Romney, but his problem was perhaps the death of a 1,000 cuts as he and the GOP effectively disparaged any number of individually small voting blocks -- from the youth vote to women to old black women -- that the cumulative effect that he is now sitting on some Barcalounger in one of his vacation estates instead of the desk of the Oval Office.

Disingenuous is the idea that these minority blocks can be and have been essentially bought off by either outright monetary "handouts" or are reflexive single-issue voters that can be brought over to the GOP side on account of acceding on a single issue regardless of how the rest of their policies may be unappealing or even repellent to their broader interests. Appealing to the Latino vote will require much more than simply a single vote for immigration reform and perhaps the GOP needs look well beyond this to their other policies if they wish to be competitive in garnering the Hispanic electorate and any number of other demographic/voting blocks.

So yes, Coulter does trot out any number of accurate statistics yet her self-serving and deflective analysis and conclusions are none-the-less fraught with error. As Mark Twain once said, "There are lies, damned lies and statistics."

NFRs2000nyc 06-13-2013 12:44 PM

Amnesty would decimate the already dysmal black low skill employment. If the GOP wants to survive, they need to go after the black vote.

Rhumb 06-13-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc (Post 15500777)
Amnesty would decimate the already dysmal black low skill employment. If the GOP wants to survive, they need to go after the black vote.

...and the women's vote, and the youth vote, and the Hispanic vote, and...

NFRs2000nyc 06-13-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhumb (Post 15500948)
...and the women's vote, and the youth vote, and the Hispanic vote, and...

If they stop with some of their BS, they will get the youth vote. Women's vote IMHO isn't an issue.

rapier7 06-13-2013 02:33 PM

Oh look, another loud, attention whoring commentator from the peanut gallery.

Republicans realize that they can't rely on the white male vote anymore. That means they need to start making inroads into women, Hispanics, and Asians. An olive branch on immigration is one of the necessary things they need to capture minorities and women back into the Republican column.

Act of God 06-13-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rapier7 (Post 15501087)
Oh look, another loud, attention whoring commentator from the peanut gallery.

Republicans realize that they can't rely on the white male vote anymore. That means they need to start making inroads into women, Hispanics, and Asians. An olive branch on immigration is one of the necessary things they need to capture minorities and women back into the Republican column.

Republicans did that, several times, made no difference. In fact, they lost votes even though they either (a) actually gave amnesty or (b) heavily supported amnesty.

Polling shows that Hispanics don't give a crap about amnesty or immigration compared to more relevant issues. Read the article yet?

5ynd1cat3 06-13-2013 02:45 PM

Re: (IMHO) Coulter Nails it on the Amnesty Issue
 
Is it just me or does it feel like 1986 all over again?

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rapier7 06-13-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 15501093)
Republicans did that, several times, made no difference. In fact, they lost votes even though they either (a) actually gave amnesty or (b) heavily supported amnesty.

Polling shows that Hispanics don't give a crap about amnesty or immigration compared to more relevant issues. Read the article yet?

I did. And it ignores the issue that Hispanics are a growing portion of the population (and thus the electorate) and it also ignores the fact that there's a lot of bad aura around the Republican party.

If we look at it strictly through the lens of "what will give us votes?" and you're telling me that Hispanics don't care about immigration reform, why are the Democrats pushing immigration reform?

Voters do care about these issues and they will cast their votes around those issues. And there is a huge economic factor to consider as well. Increasing the size of our legal workforce is a boon for the economy, and that's something that the business wing of the Republican Party is interested in.

Rhumb 06-13-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 15501093)
Republicans did that, several times, made no difference. In fact, they lost votes even though they either (a) actually gave amnesty or (b) heavily supported amnesty.

Polling shows that Hispanics don't give a crap about amnesty or immigration compared to more relevant issues. Read the article yet?

Which probably indicates how toxic the rest of the GOP policy agenda/ideology is to Hispanics.

'busa 06-13-2013 03:39 PM

:popcorn:

Act of God 06-13-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rapier7 (Post 15501254)
If we look at it strictly through the lens of "what will give us votes?" and you're telling me that Hispanics don't care about immigration reform, why are the Democrats pushing immigration reform?

Really, you're asking that question? Hispanics are more or less automatic democrat voters, that's why.

rapier7 06-13-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 15501335)
Really, you're asking that question? Hispanics are more or less automatic democrat voters, that's why.

The bill currently being debated in the Senate has a 15 year road to citizenship for those who are eligible for amnesty. Given the short term thinking that has prevailed in politics for the past 50 years, what makes you think the Democrats are playing such a long game?

badfast 06-13-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Act of God (Post 15501335)
Really, you're asking that question? Hispanics are more or less automatic democrat voters, that's why.

Let us not do the right thing because of how they may vote.

Act of God 06-13-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by badfast (Post 15501505)
Let us not do the right thing because of how they may vote.

lol the right thing? What, if enough people break a law we can just ignore it? How about the other side of that coin chump, let's do what's best for the DNC versus what's best for AMERICA.

Lair 06-13-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhumb (Post 15501276)
Which probably indicates how toxic the rest of the GOP policy agenda/ideology is to Hispanics.

Which is why they're cultivating new, young Hispanic local candidates like Cruz and Rubio.

Will it work?

Act of God 06-13-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lair (Post 15501825)
Which is why they're cultivating new, young Hispanic local candidates like Cruz and Rubio.

Will it work?

No, it won't. So long as the public perception is that the democrats are the people that will give you free stuff the votes will stay there.


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