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suaveJae 07-23-2013 12:13 AM

bought a POTENTIAL ODOMETER ROLLBACK 325i need advice
 
so i didnt do my homework and checked out the vin history before i bought the car. The deal was it had 67k miles on it, but as i saw on carfax it told me it had 197k then got sold and it had 58k miles which carfax quickly said it has a potential odometer rollback
want to see the history ? here it is
Owner 1
Purchased: 2003
Type: Personal
Where: Massachusetts
Est. miles/year: 22,277/yr
Est. length owned: 8/13/03 - 10/24/11
(8 yrs. 2 mo.)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
11/07/2002 4,104 Service Facility Fluids checked
12/13/2002 7,616 Service Facility Engine/powertrain computer/module checked
Radio/sound system checked
Washed/detailed
02/27/2003 12,178 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
05/20/2003 12,467 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
06/06/2003 12,474 Dealer Inventory
Boylston, MA Vehicle offered for sale
06/17/2003 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale
08/13/2003 14,261 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northborough, MA Vehicle purchase reported
Titled or registered as
personal vehicle
08/14/2003 Dealer Inventory
Massachusetts Vehicle sold
08/19/2003 14,846 Service Facility Vehicle serviced
08/19/2003 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Boylston, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected
08/29/2003 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northborough, MA
Title #AZ303319 Title issued or updated
Title or registration issued
First owner reported
Loan or lien reported
Vehicle color noted as White
12/30/2003 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Oil and filter changed
08/16/2004 36,109 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Shrewsbury, MA Passed safety or emissions inspection
View what was inspected
08/17/2004 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com State safety inspection completed
Cabin air filter replaced/cleaned
Body electrical wiring repaired
Engine serviced
10/12/2004 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Maintenance inspection completed
12/07/2004 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Vehicle serviced
04/29/2005 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com A/C refrigerant recharged
Tire condition and pressure checked
Cooling system checked
Front brakes replaced
06/01/2005 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northborough, MA
Title #AZ303319 Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as White
06/29/2005 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Body electrical wiring repaired
08/19/2005 58,296 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Shrewsbury, MA Passed safety inspection
View what was inspected
08/22/2005 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Recommended maintenance performed
State safety inspection completed
Antifreeze/coolant flushed/changed
Brake fluid flushed/changed
Front wiper blades/refills replaced
01/10/2006 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Blower motor replaced/repaired
Cabin air filter replaced/cleaned
Lights checked
03/03/2006 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Blower motor controller replaced
Rear brake pads and rotors replaced
05/24/2006 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Maintenance performed
Oil and filter changed
Oxygen sensor replaced
Engine/powertrain computer/module checked
08/21/2006 81,100 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Franklin, MA Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
View what was inspected
02/05/2007 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Recommended maintenance performed
06/01/2007 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northborough, MA
Title #AZ303319 Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as White
06/19/2007 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Vehicle serviced
08/28/2007 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com State safety inspection completed
08/28/2007 104,252 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Shrewsbury, MA Passed safety inspection
View what was inspected
10/17/2007 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Oil and filter changed
Brake fluid flushed/changed
Four wheel alignment performed
05/29/2008 117,143 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Front brakes replaced
08/12/2008 121,180 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Maintenance inspection completed
State safety inspection completed
Rear brakes replaced
ABS fluid flushed/changed
08/12/2008 121,182 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Shrewsbury, MA Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
View what was inspected
11/11/2008 126,715 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Vehicle serviced
01/06/2009 127,000 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Vehicle serviced
02/13/2009 129,909 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Power steering pump replaced
06/01/2009 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Northborough, MA
Title #AZ303319 Registration issued or renewed
Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
Vehicle color noted as White
06/01/2009 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Centerville, MA
Title #AZ303319 Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as White
06/10/2009 137,840 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Oil and filter changed
08/27/2009 143,504 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Shrewsbury, MA Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
08/28/2009 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com State safety inspection completed
10/14/2009 147,453 Wagner BMW Of Shrewsbury
Shrewsbury, MA
508-845-0505
wagnermotors.com Thermostat replaced
09/13/2010 173,051 Massachusetts
Inspection Station
Franklin, MA Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
06/01/2011 Massachusetts
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Centerville, MA
Title #AZ303319 Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as White
10/24/2011 197,001 Auto Auction
Eastern Region Listed as a dealer vehicle
Sold at auction
10/27/2011 Brown Supercenter
Toledo, OH
860-688-3651
seligford.com Vehicle offered for sale
10/27/2011 Brown Supercenter
Toledo, OH
860-688-3651
seligford.com Vehicle sold
11/14/2011 197,094 Auto Auction
Eastern Region Listed as a dealer vehicle
Sold at auction


Owner 2
Purchased: 2012
Type: Personal
Where: Connecticut
Est. length owned: 2/28/12 - 7/25/12
(4 months)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
02/28/2012 58,823 Connecticut
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Monroe, CT Vehicle purchase reported
POTENTIAL ODOMETER ROLLBACK


There are signs of potential odometer rollback here, so verify the mileage with the seller. I know I would.
04/10/2012 Connecticut
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Monroe, CT
Title #033324843 Title issued or updated
New owner reported
07/25/2012 62,100 Connecticut
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Easton, CT Vehicle purchase reported
08/09/2012 Connecticut
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Easton, CT Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as White


Owner 3
Purchased: 2012
Type: Personal
Where: Connecticut, New York
Est. length owned: 9/6/12 - 12/20/12
(3 months)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
09/06/2012 Connecticut
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Easton, CT
Title #033597071 Title issued or updated
New owner reported
12/04/2012 Connecticut
Damage Report Accident reported
12/20/2012 64,949 Key Hyundai
Milford, CT
203-877-6820
Vehicle offered for sale
01/21/2013 64,952 Auto Auction
Eastern Region Listed as a dealer vehicle
Sold at auction
02/05/2013 New York
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Roslyn Heights, NY Registration issued or renewed
Titled or registered as
personal vehicle
Passed safety inspection
02/18/2013 65,286 New York
Inspection Station Passed safety inspection
Failed emissions inspection
View what was inspected
02/18/2013 65,311 New York
Inspection Station Passed safety inspection
Failed emissions inspection
View what was inspected
02/18/2013 65,325 New York
Inspection Station Passed safety inspection
Failed emissions inspection
View what was inspected
02/18/2013 65,345 New York
Inspection Station Passed safety inspection
Failed emissions inspection
View what was inspected
02/19/2013 65,354 New York
Inspection Station Passed safety inspection
Passed emissions inspection
View what was inspected


Owner 4
Purchased: 2013
Type: Personal
Where: New York
Est. length owned: 4/30/13 - present
(2 months)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
04/30/2013 New York
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Roslyn Heights, NY Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Now my question is should i stay with the car? It its beautiful! the leather seats look just new, and the car's engine feels great when driven. Now its a bit fidgety on bumps (moves a bit). This would be my first car in general and feel like i f'ed because of it's history. What are you're thoughts on this ? Should i get rid of it before it's too late, or stay with it? thanks

suaveJae 07-23-2013 12:18 AM

I bought it for 5k
If you can see from owner one to owner two thats when it tells me the odometer readings are false but the car truly looks in great condition, please help me with this decision before i decide to ensure it

beeemerdude 07-23-2013 12:19 AM

sooo....let me get this straight. You can't tell a 67k car from a 197,000 mile car? :hmm:




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http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/.../e7lcf4jpg.gif

suaveJae 07-23-2013 12:21 AM

It's my first car, i have looked into DIY to conduct my own repairs on my car but as far as can't tell ? nah
it looked as if it represented the 67k although one fog light wasn't working, the hazard and lock button where stuck. Everything else worked perfectly

dwtaylorpdx 07-23-2013 12:25 AM

your only recourse more or less is small claims court against the seller, but the auction thing and wreck kinda screws the pooch on that one.. ..

Unless the box on the title was checked that mileage is inaccurate the mileage number on the title is the number represented by the sellerr...

Good Luck
Dave

suaveJae 07-23-2013 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwtaylorpdx (Post 15591435)
your only recourse more or less is small claims court against the seller, but the auction thing and wreck kinda screws the pooch on that one.. ..

Unless the box on the title was checked that mileage is inaccurate the mileage number on the title is the number represented by the sellerr...

Good Luck
Dave

well he did give the inaccurate mileage of 66804 on the title to sell to me, but cant help to feel worried of its history, i want to love my first car and feel like this car is new the interior and exterior look great and engine performs well. I want to love it, but worry that it will give me problems later on because of this history
thanks for the help

THECLEANERBEAMER 07-23-2013 12:31 AM

Where your mileage shows on the gauge cluster does it have a orange circle next to your mileage?

suaveJae 07-23-2013 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THECLEANERBEAMER (Post 15591441)
Where your mileage shows on the gauge cluster does it have a orange curls next to your mileage?

I haven't taken notice but can you please elaborate on this

2003silver330i 07-23-2013 12:36 AM

Somewhere between seligford and second owner the car odometer got rolled back. Gauge cluster was probably replaced.

suaveJae 07-23-2013 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2003silver330i (Post 15591451)
Somewhere between seligford and second owner the car odometer got rolled back.

do you think its possible that an engine swap may have been done ? finger crossed .. ")

2003silver330i 07-23-2013 01:00 AM

Check the doors jamb for any stickers to see if there is a record of past mileage.

dwtaylorpdx 07-23-2013 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suaveJae (Post 15591440)
well he did give the inaccurate mileage of 66804 on the title to sell to me, but cant help to feel worried of its history, i want to love my first car and feel like this car is new the interior and exterior look great and engine performs well. I want to love it, but worry that it will give me problems later on because of this history
thanks for the help

First,, its just a car,, You dont love them you drive them and treat them like a 1500 dollar a night hooker, makes it easier when they need replaced.. With the accident history, auction etc, I'd say it was totaled and rebuilt. I've helped cut a pair of cars in half and welded the good halves together.. OK when there is a 8 point cage in there to maintain the structure.. For a street car?? Not so much..

The E46 is a fairly expensive machine to maintain even if its a perfect specimen, The succession of short ownerships should tell the story..

You should be able to get the engine number that the car was built with from the dealer.

If a BMW dealer recoded the dash to ECM mileage numbers it should be on record.

Good Luck..
Dave

beeemerdude 07-23-2013 01:12 AM

OP. Have you ever gone to court? Have you ever gone to a lawyer? That alone will bilk ya dry, not to mention the cost of stress, anxiety, & just plain grief. Not worth it. Just suck it up, drive the crp outta it. It's only 5 grand. It's not a Porsche or anything. It's a 4 door ppl-mover. I know it's your first car, but don't bleed your heart into it. Just don't soak unnec'y loot into it, maintain it as cheaply & as necessary as u can to keep it safely driving...then when u have enough loot....sell it & move on.

Lesson learned.

adaseb 07-23-2013 01:12 AM

Check your local state laws. In most places if the car is over 10 years old, odometer rollback isn't classified as fraud for a vehicle that old.

Given it was purchased on Aug 13th 2003 you have about 3 weeks to see if you can take any action.

What I don't understand is why you did the Carfax AFTER you bought the car? Whats the point really?

Plus since you paid $5K for it, you paid roughtly what an 200K miles E46 is worth. If you paid $10-15 for a 63K mile E46 then its a whole different story.

THECLEANERBEAMER 07-23-2013 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suaveJae (Post 15591445)
I haven't taken notice but can you please elaborate on this

Hey sorry I had an auto correct I meant to say orange circle on the right of your mileage

DarkSyde330ci 07-23-2013 10:16 AM

So u thought u bought a 67k mile BMW for 5000? Your nuts

choxor 07-23-2013 10:19 AM

Advice: go talk to whoever sold it to you. Not checking this beforehand was foolish.

MachRc 07-23-2013 10:24 AM

again..does it have a odometer tamper light?

http://v6black2002.googlepages.com/Faulty_Gear.jpg

suaveJae 07-23-2013 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwtaylorpdx (Post 15591475)
First,, its just a car,, You dont love them you drive them and treat them like a 1500 dollar a night hooker, makes it easier when they need replaced.. With the accident history, auction etc, I'd say it was totaled and rebuilt. I've helped cut a pair of cars in half and welded the good halves together.. OK when there is a 8 point cage in there to maintain the structure.. For a street car?? Not so much..

The E46 is a fairly expensive machine to maintain even if its a perfect specimen, The succession of short ownerships should tell the story..

You should be able to get the engine number that the car was built with from the dealer.

If a BMW dealer recoded the dash to ECM mileage numbers it should be on record.

Good Luck..
Dave

Thanks honestly though, i doubt it was rebuilt all the vin stickers are present on the door and trunk i bought it off some guy on craigslist not a dealer, :facepalm: :facepalm: thanks though.

suaveJae 07-23-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

So u thought u bought a 67k mile BMW for 5000? Your nuts
Yeah i dropped it from 5.5k lol, oh well.


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