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Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 10:56 AM
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Posted By Rhumb
Well, doesn't that conundrum exist anyways? The...

Well, doesn't that conundrum exist anyways? The individual is perfectly free to choose a line of livelihood, be it a business, employment or otherwise, that comports with their religious beliefs. A...
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 10:15 AM
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Posted By Rhumb
Ah, now it gets a bit more interesting, and a bit...

Ah, now it gets a bit more interesting, and a bit more complex!

A distinction here is not in refusing to serve a customer, be it a gay couple or neo Nazi, but a bit more into specific "speech"...
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 09:33 AM
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Posted By Rhumb
If the baker is George Zimmerman in his own...

If the baker is George Zimmerman in his own kitchen, then no, he doesn't have to bake a cake for anyone for any reason, including his own personal religious beliefs. First Amendment in action here...
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 09:14 AM
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Posted By Rhumb
I think in the end though, the effect is similar,...

I think in the end though, the effect is similar, that an business, if "closely held," whatever exactly that means, can project their individual personal religious beliefs onto a large for-profit...
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 08:40 AM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
We also have the 14th Amendment which you seem to...

We also have the 14th Amendment which you seem to take issue with. I like the First Amendment, though perhaps interpret it somewhat differently than you do, i.e., it, especially the religious...
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 08:33 AM
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Posted By Rhumb
Not quite so clear cut necessarily. Is the issue...

Not quite so clear cut necessarily. Is the issue of improper labeling of classified information? Of Clinton knowingly passing along labled classified info? Of unknowingly passing on classified...
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 08:26 AM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Please explain.

Please explain.
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 08:25 AM
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Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Which would seem to indicate unequal service,...

Which would seem to indicate unequal service, which, if I understand civil rights law, is illegal. If they use their hands to bake a cake for a straight wedding, they are legally obligated to provide...
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 08:20 AM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
What is your legal definition of a "closely held"...

What is your legal definition of a "closely held" religious belief as that, according to a recent SCOTUS ruling, seems to be a salient legal requirement?
Forum: Political Talk Yesterday, 06:57 AM
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Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Which explains why there are so many "No blacks...

Which explains why there are so many "No blacks or interracial couples served here" on so many hotels.

They can do that, legally, can't they?
Forum: Political Talk 07-27-2015, 06:29 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Even if those ostensibly individual religious...

Even if those ostensibly individual religious beliefs, insinuated through and amplified by businesses serving the general public, contravene other basic rights? Is there no distinction between the...
Forum: Political Talk 07-27-2015, 05:36 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
And who, pray tell, should be the arbiter of what...

And who, pray tell, should be the arbiter of what constitutes a protected religious belief, under what criteria, much less what might define a "closely held" one vs. some more casually held belief...
Forum: Political Talk 07-27-2015, 02:42 PM
Replies: 137
Views: 3,000
Posted By Rhumb
Fixed: Trumps narcissistic vanity...

Fixed:


Trumps narcissistic vanity campaign, while hugely entertaining in a buffoonish way, and providing some sort of reactionary release valve for inchoate right-wing anger at modernity and all...
Forum: Political Talk 07-24-2015, 08:11 AM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Yeah, of all the "threats" to the institution of...

Yeah, of all the "threats" to the institution of marriage, gay marriage is, at best of at all, back on page 37 of an 8pt, single-spaced, triple-column list.

If anything, it is an endorsement and...
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 11:33 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 456
Posted By Rhumb
Your response is somewhat tangential to the...

Your response is somewhat tangential to the question I was addressing, the costs of any increased wages being passed on to the consumer. Given that it's only been wages at the very top that have been...
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 10:47 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
What exactly is a gay wedding cake? I wasn't...

What exactly is a gay wedding cake? I wasn't aware cakes had any sexual orientation at all, but then, not being a baker, what do I know. Does it have something to do with the icing?
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 06:15 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 456
Posted By Rhumb
Wouldn't the same exact dynamic apply to...

Wouldn't the same exact dynamic apply to inflating pay in respect to the top end of the pay scale?

I think what people are suggesting is a bit of a rebalancing of an overall pay scale that has...
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 05:53 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Absolutely, they should not be required to bake...

Absolutely, they should not be required to bake special gay cakes (special gay flour?) for any weddings.

However, should they be asked to bake their wedding cake for a gay couple...

It's not...
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 04:59 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Or maybe not... Um yeah, see how that...

Or maybe not...



Um yeah, see how that half-clever rhetorical sleight of hand works out, it's been basically tried before in other (racial) realms and was quickly and deservedly knocked down.
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 04:50 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
No, because there isn't one obviously. But that...

No, because there isn't one obviously. But that individual right isn't preeminent over all other rights, especially when one is speaking in terms of a second-order extension of that right onto a...
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 04:29 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
I don't know. If it's an incorporated business,...

I don't know. If it's an incorporated business, then the business itself, legally speaking. Perhaps a group of investors and shareholders. The business owner, investors and shareholders may also be...
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 04:25 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
No, in actuality -- outside the more abstract...

No, in actuality -- outside the more abstract hypotheticals -- the bakery business should absolutely be obligated to serve a gay wedding, not "because" of Jim Crow, but because of the 14th Amendment...
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 04:19 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
No, but that's putting things exactly backwards. ...

No, but that's putting things exactly backwards.

The deli, for whatever reason, does not offer sandwiches mixing meat and dairy to begin with, to anyone. They are not denying a service they would...
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 04:12 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Presumably, the business and its owner, whether...

Presumably, the business and its owner, whether out of good sense and/or legal requirement, keep separate accounts.
Forum: Political Talk 07-23-2015, 04:07 PM
Replies: 530
Views: 6,925
Posted By Rhumb
Guess that Christian business owner might have to...

Guess that Christian business owner might have to make some tough choices.

If this question were in fact limited simply and strictly to wedding cakes in a places with many bakeries, then yes, I'd...
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