Thread: BMW 335i WOW!
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Old 04-04-2006, 12:07 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by 04ImolaZHP
correct me if i am wrong but the rx7's and supras came out in 1993?!?! we are now in 2007? so it took bmw 14 years to come up with the same amount of hp that the japanese could 14 years ago?

sequential turbos are great but they can also make a lot more power than what the 335 proposes. i am personally rather disappointed with that hp figure? you will probably end up paying $5k more for that 335i vs the 330 and all you will get is a 48 hp bump? i just think that they need to unleash a can of whoop ass and make these engines as powerful as they can be.

and before we start the never ending hp isn't everything debate, i am the first to agree. i am currently in a rental Magnum r/t with the 340 hp and that car has nothing on the 540i. i am just comparing a bmw to a bmw. i mean it took them long enough to make the 550i for crying out loud. make the same thing with these cars. people are not going to stop buying 550's because you can get a 330+ hp engine in a 330i chasis...

/end rant.
It takes the Germans longer because they do it right first of all. Secondly, up until this last year there was a difference between German HP and Japanese HP. Yes it's true. Japanese and Germans were using different standards to rate horsepower. The German way is more accurate of real life since it included attached accessories that would be included in the car. The Japanese way was bullshit. They were inflating their HP ratings by testing motors without accessories that rob HP. How do I know this. I just learned a $30,000 lesson. I bought a 200 Bullshit HP Acura TSX because the 325i was only 184 Real HP. The car never broke 8 seconds 0-60 even with the cool 6 speed gearbox.
Then they announce that they are applying the new standard to Japanese cars and my 200 BS HP TSX, dropped in rated HP. I kept it 10 months and sold it. I bought a used 325i with a 5 speed and only 184 HP. The 325i is much quicker than my old TSX bu over half a second. FACT.

Finally, I have been involved with cars for over 20 years and have even worked in Nissan's GTP program in the Dyno testing rooms and HP is not everything by itself. When we started winning races in IMSA GTP we were using a 1000 HP Single Turbo car and eventually finished with a 800 HP thin turbo that was still quicker. So automotive design involves more than just the top HP rating. It is a combination of HP+Torque+Weight+Gearing.

Finally, while those cars you mentioned made a lot of power, they also had serious issues like oil usage, terrible mileage, reliability problems, Toyota had head problems, etc. Yes the Germans are slow and cautious but it is because they design cars holistically, not just going for the ego numbers. That is why we love them and that is the lesson I learned with my TSX.

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