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#1 · (Edited)
****NEW UPDATES POSTED IN POST ONE AS UPDATES ARE AVAILABLE****

So, I happened to be at a u-pull it junk yard today, getting a head for a customer. For the past 5 years, I have been searching for a very elusive and very hard to find cheap add on for my M3.

No, it is not some rare factory piece from Germany, or some kind of 1 off aftermarket part...

It is this...



An L3 Night vision camera!!!

I found it inside a Cadillac DTS. The best part? I also got the HUD and the control panel, including wiring!

So, my plan is to install and utilize the entire system in my M3. I gotta find the wiring diagram for the car, and the front lens needs replaced because it is cracked, but lucky me it is a second gen camera, with a servicable lens.

So, I have options but I am looking for opinions for the following things:

1: Camera Mounting point
2: HUD mounting point
3: Switch mounting point
4: Doing this at all

Let me know. I'll post some more pics of the system tomorrow, and update as progress takes shape. I'll also be inthe market for another dash panel, cause I think I'm going to do the "install" before I install it.


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Here is a front shot of the camera.



HUD (Heads Up Display)



And the switch panel, which is very GM looking, but I will find a place to put it in the M3, to control brightness and screen position.



I have pig tails of all the components and I found a schematic for the wiring. All we have to do is test the camera, replace the lense and install everything. For the dash, I was thinking about getting another one, and hacking it up, building a seperate base to install the HUD and making a cover to cover the left over stuff. The switch could go under the arm rest, made custom using a potentiometer and a toggle, or could be inserted in the dash somewhere near the headlights. The camera would go in the lower grill on the M3, at the very top of the opening and would have a protective grill over it to minimize damage to the $300 lense or the bigger picture, $1500 camera.

I really want to make it clean and neat, and I want it to work as well as possible. The only other option is to sell this set off, and get the $3000 FLIR Pathfinder that Mercedes and BMW use now. That being said, I can just use this camera and a scren, but I thought a HUD was the best way to integrate the factory system. I have heard that the glass in the DTS with NV was different to allow the HUD to display, but I am not sure there is truth to that. Not only that, this system is useless in daylight, so it would be dark anyway.

I really like the L3 though, so I might just stick with this one for now.

All that being said, if anyone has a black dash they want to donate, I am all ears. Otherwise, I'll have to track one down, along with all the other stuff to make this work in the M.


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Wiring diagram:






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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NsVVXoD_C0&feature=youtu.be


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So after doing some testing with the camera, I have been doing some thinking on the screen to use, and after a tip by a member of the M3 board, I found my solution.

I will be using the Z4 Navigation screen and bezel. We believe that the motor can be used very easily with a switch some relays and 12 volts.

We plan on replacing the actual screen, but we will get to that later. Apparently it uses RGsB and will not accept a regular video signal, not to mention it requires iBus info to stay open.

I attached 2 pictures of what the screen looks like. The first is the Z4 screen in a Z4, and the second is one in an E46.





And a video showing the operation we hope to achieve, with a different style use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsyaPAx_FXY

I plan on using a simple switch to open and close the screen, that will also power the camera when I want it in use. Flip the switch, screen opens, and camera turns on. I might have a video selecter so I can add a rear camera as well.

Planning is going well, and we are getting close to getting this system prepped and layed out. Once all the parts are here, in working order, and the control and video signal is verified, we will start the install.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn-jiUL8uB4&feature=youtu.be


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Well, the screen bezel showed up today. Got everything I think I need to start the screen retrofit.







The good news? Looks like the bezel is in perfect shape, and the motor/wiring/boards/buttons are all there...

Bad news? Looks like the screen I have that I wanted to use and was in the test video I posted will not be an easy fit. Anything is possible, so I guess we will see.


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So after sourcing the Z4 screen setup, and pulling my old 7" screen out of the spot it's been hiding for 6 years, I decided to attempt to merge the two together, and get the whole thing setup and ready to go, so I could be one step closer to installing this.

Tonight, we got a lot done. We located some problems, worked through them and so far I could not be happier. Here are some shots of what we accomplished tonight, with more video coming soon.


Here I was trimming the internal parts of the Z4 screen bezel. There were mounting points and stand offs, screw holes and other associated parts that would not allow the screen to fit.


More stuff that was removed.


Shot from the back with the screen and electronics inside. It fits now!!!


Front shot. Shows the view...


Guts prepped and seperated from the screen back. We did not attach anything yet, because we wanted to not only test out the screen and stuff, but also want to find a clean servicable way to mount it.


Finally a shot from inside a car at night. Screen is in the bezel, and the camera is on a make shift mount on the roof for testing purposes.

Video coming soon.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5W7I0zIYkU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ_-_5bnMmY&list=UUPQjItyFLmIfDAMvc6h84lQ&index=1&feature=plcp


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My euro LCM showed up. I'll be using the faceplate for my new LCM. I was thinking of using the rear foglight switch to power the camera so I would have a visible light showing when it is on, but now Iam not sure.


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#4 ·
Subscribed for the awesomeness of this mod!!!
 
#5 ·
I always thought of the secondary display was more of a distraction than not, but it is neat.

If you don't use your fog lights, I'd look into installing it inside a fog lamp assembly so it's hidden and sleek. Anywhere else will just stand out and look funny.
 
#6 ·
I don't have fog lights, I have a CSL bumper.

As for the display, I am trying to use the Caddy heads up display. Unfortunately, I can't get into the project further this weekend, because I have the car to work on, but when I do get into it, I'll be posting updates. I'll try and get pics today.
 
#12 ·
2001 Cadillac DTS. From what I am reading online, there are sub 10K units out there, and most are destroyed. My camera has a broken quartz lens, but the thermal imaging pickup is still together.

The option cost $6K as an add on. I have only ever seen 1 car with it on, and the driver was 87, and had no idea what it was. You know the kind, "I want everything installed" kind. I showed him what it was, and he thought it was a waste. I told him he paid $6k for it, and he was actually pi$$ed that the dealer didn't inform him that he selected an expensive option.

My setup, I found in a junk yard. I'll take some pics now and post them up so you can see what I am working with.
 
#14 · (Edited)
Here is a front shot of the camera.



HUD (Heads Up Display)



And the switch panel, which is very GM looking, but I will find a place to put it in the M3, to control brightness and screen position.



I have pig tails of all the components and I found a schematic for the wiring. All we have to do is test the camera, replace the lense and install everything. For the dash, I was thinking about getting another one, and hacking it up, building a seperate base to install the HUD and making a cover to cover the left over stuff. The switch could go under the arm rest, made custom using a potentiometer and a toggle, or could be inserted in the dash somewhere near the headlights. The camera would go in the lower grill on the M3, at the very top of the opening and would have a protective grill over it to minimize damage to the $300 lense or the bigger picture, $1500 camera.

I really want to make it clean and neat, and I want it to work as well as possible. The only other option is to sell this set off, and get the $3000 FLIR Pathfinder that Mercedes and BMW use now. That being said, I can just use this camera and a scren, but I thought a HUD was the best way to integrate the factory system. I have heard that the glass in the DTS with NV was different to allow the HUD to display, but I am not sure there is truth to that. Not only that, this system is useless in daylight, so it would be dark anyway.

I really like the L3 though, so I might just stick with this one for now.

All that being said, if anyone has a black dash they want to donate, I am all ears. Otherwise, I'll have to track one down, along with all the other stuff to make this work in the M.
 
#16 ·
I forgot to add. You will never guess what I picked the whole set up for.














$62 cash from a U-Pull it yard in Hazelton PA. $62 dollars... For a $6000 factory option on 2000. If I put $500 in a dash and the lens into this, I will still be at 1/3 the cost of the camera on ebay.
 
#17 ·
Document everything! If successful, I and others will be hounding you for a DIY!:4ngie:
 
#21 ·
Ok. So after the test with the camera and a 26" screen, we started looking into using the HUD or if it would be too troublesome.

turns out the HUD is HUGE!!!! I don't think there is a way to use it. So, it looks as if we are going with the camera and a 7" display in the car, but the question is, where are we mounting it? I want to retain my factory radio for the time being, and honestly I can't lose the ability for music and phone, so I have to keep it. I am thinking of adding the screen where the center vents are, but not sure.

I'll keep everyone posted with progress.
 
#22 ·
So after doing some testing with the camera, I have been doing some thinking on the screen to use, and after a tip by a member of the M3 board, I found my solution.

I will be using the Z4 Navigation screen and bezel. We believe that the motor can be used very easily with a switch some relays and 12 volts.

We plan on replacing the actual screen, but we will get to that later. Apparently it uses RGsB and will not accept a regular video signal, not to mention it requires iBus info to stay open.

I attached 2 pictures of what the screen looks like. The first is the Z4 screen in a Z4, and the second is one in an E46.





And a video showing the operation we hope to achieve, with a different style use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsyaPAx_FXY

I plan on using a simple switch to open and close the screen, that will also power the camera when I want it in use. Flip the switch, screen opens, and camera turns on. I might have a video selecter so I can add a rear camera as well.

Planning is going well, and we are getting close to getting this system prepped and layed out. Once all the parts are here, in working order, and the control and video signal is verified, we will start the install.
 
#24 ·
Well, as it would have it, the project keeps getting just a little bigger every time we stop and think about it.

I have always wanted to add a portable source of music without the need for CD's and the like, and think we have a solution. First, I want to say we are 99% sure we are replacing the Z4 screen with another screen. That being said, it has one downfall. It only has a composite video it (yellow cable). This lead to many long nights searching for a cheap solution. I didn't feel I should have to buy a $500 video converter just to put in something to show album art.

Well, I recently found an HDMI to Composite cable I bought for $6. This should give composite out for the next addition... An original Apple TV.

We plan on using an SSD, and loading it up with music and album art. This will give us the ability to sync over wifi, and have basically all the music we would want with minimal stuff added. Since the Z4 screen housing will have a different screen in it, we can use a video selector and custom button setup to control the source.

I plan on 3 maybe 4 sources. In order... Thermal, Apple TV, Rear camera and ???. The goal is to have the ability to view front and rear at night, and show the album art song name, album, etc on the display while the actual audio feed is brought through a Dice Mediabridge. We will have Bluetooth for the phone, iPod/iPhone and now Aux, giving the apple TV a place to send it's audio.

We are still missing some parts for this job, and some are harder than others to get. Here is a list of what we need, and if they are cheap enough, we might bite, but I honestly don't want people looking for stuff to sell me. I will not be going head strong into this for another month.

-Z4 Screen. Sourced, just need to send money and get pics before buying it. Seller is a little touch and go so far. I am sure he is just busy.
-Power inverter. We have one, but it is the size of an amplifier, and does 1100 watts. Too big, looking for smaller.
-Rear camera. Easy to find, but hard to find the right one.
-Selector for source to screen
-Buttons: Custom or stock from other vehicles. Needs to match interior lights, and possibly have custom silk screening (Night vision power, source 1+2+3, screen power, Apple TV power (Think apple button) and a 3 position 2 way momentary to raise the screen if the stock buttons don't work)

Not only that, but I have to figure out where they are all going to go. I might do what Alex Roy di, and install non-illuminated switches for the power part on the column itself, leaving just the source and screen up/down buttons to the interior. Not sure yet. Still thinking things over.

Any ideas are welcome, however I want to note. I want each system to be independent. I want to be able to turn the screen off, and the cameras off and the apple tv off independently. That being said, all ideas are welcome.
 
#26 ·
Safety and security. I can drive at night and have a thermal image available of my surrounding area to show wildlife so I don't hit a deer.

Cool factor. Does your E46 have a Mil-Spec thermal night vision system? :rofl:

The ability to spot idling cops in the median on a high way from over 1000 meters.

See thermal image through dense fog, which we get from time to time.

Plenty of uses, but in reality, a unique idea that does not cost too much, but serves a purpose.
 
#28 ·
This is a great install!

My only complaint is your signature, I have to wildly scroll up and down while reading this to avoid people in my office from seeing the half naked girl. Could be a massive offense in HR eyes... Just saying.
 
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