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View Poll Results: What is your transmission
Manual 238 63.81%
Auto without tiptronic 9 2.41%
Auto with tiptronic 64 17.16%
SMG 62 16.62%
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:44 AM   #1
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your transmission of choice is....(poll)

first please answer the poll, then continue reading.

I say BMW dealer lots have too many automatics. Finding a stick is an arduous task these days. The only stick on the lot may be the awful color that no one wants. If this trend continues, the manual drivers are going to have to custom order their cars. Does anyone else see this as a problem/annoyance?
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:47 AM   #2
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ummm even exotics do not come with good ole manual trans anymore so i don't know why this is surprising?
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:51 AM   #3
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not surprising, but not how I would have it. I think bmw is a "driver's" car and should be kept that way
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:52 AM   #4
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heh i think BMW is first and foremost upper class luxury car.....
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Old 01-16-2007, 10:04 AM   #5
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thats the problem i was having when I was shopping
too many slushboxes and manual box were rare.
I was a step away from buying a M3 smg at a good price
but the smg held me back
I need my clutch...
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:56 AM   #6
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heh i think BMW is first and foremost upper class luxury car.....
This is the problem. That is not what it is really supposed to be. In the US, it is more about brand prestige than anything else.
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:58 AM   #7
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This is the problem. That is not what it is really supposed to be. In the US, it is more about brand prestige than anything else.
Not really. It is what it is. There is brand elitism all over the world. In Germany a BMW trumps a VW for example. But if you want a car with more of a performance versus luxury orientation, buy a Porsche. The BMW has broad appeal because it is an amalgam of each.
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Old 01-17-2007, 09:02 AM   #8
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Not really. It is what it is. There is brand elitism all over the world. In Germany a BMW trumps a VW for example. But if you want a car with more of a performance versus luxury orientation, buy a Porsche. The BMW has broad appeal because it is an amalgam of each.
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Reading comprehension - the first post referenced why it was so hard to find manuals. The reason finding manuals is a problem is that BMW has become more of a status piece than a sporty driving tool.
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Reading comprehension - the first post referenced why it was so hard to find manuals. The reason finding manuals is a problem is that BMW has become more of a status piece than a sporty driving tool.
Chicken and egg. Which came first and why? Why did BMW's evolve to their current status? Because that is how most prefer them. As to status..the same can be said for MB which are ostensibly luxury cars. Why? Because most don't want to play boy racer and gear jam to and from work and the grocery store...they prefer a bit of a luxury bias. If you go back in time, manual shift or standard shift cars were always the base model.
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Old 01-16-2007, 10:14 AM   #10
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first please answer the poll, then continue reading.

I say BMW dealer lots have too many automatics. Finding a stick is an arduous task these days. The only stick on the lot may be the awful color that no one wants. If this trend continues, the manual drivers are going to have to custom order their cars. Does anyone else see this as a problem/annoyance?
The people have spoken...that's all. Most prefer auto's because of traffic.
That and 5 and 6 speed Step's are always in the right gear when driving.
BMW sells cars that people prefer. If more preferred a stick, BMW would sell more.
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Old 01-16-2007, 11:04 AM   #11
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i gotta differ, at my local dealership tehre are few autos. all the used cars are stick.... or smg for the m3 (50/50 split)


i think the best of both worlds would be 6speed with a torque converter taht caught just at stall point but didnt make lurch
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:12 PM   #13
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I'm lazy, and with L.A. traffic i prefer the slushbox w/slowtronic.

I test drove a 2000 911 with the tip, and i didn't really feel any lag between shifts.
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I'm lazy, and with L.A. traffic i prefer the slushbox w/slowtronic.

I test drove a 2000 911 with the tip, and i didn't really feel any lag between shifts.
Porsche's Tiptronic is a different animal. Especially in the newer models...faster than stick. Eventually BMW will catch up and the newer Step boxes will lag less and less, and pull harder... ie. in 2010 maybe?

Stick is more fun to drive by far though.
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Porsche's Tiptronic is a different animal. Especially in the newer models...faster than stick. Eventually BMW will catch up and the newer Step boxes will lag less and less, and pull harder... ie. in 2010 maybe?

Stick is more fun to drive by far though.
Agree wholeheartedly - except with the "stick is more fun to drive by far". Anyone who bashes auto/tip as a slushbox will reconsider after driving any new Porsche that is equipped as such.

You have functionality at the wheel or at the gearbox/shifter - which still brings a big smile to my face when driving a Targa 4S or Cayenne Turbo (which I have added sereval performance mods bringing it to about 530HP) both of which will do sub 5.0 sec 0-60 launches, both auto/tip hmmm - that doesn't sound like fun?

You can make an auto 3 series fun too with some software and performance mods.

Not downplaying the thrill of stick at all - Just defending us automatic peeps
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Agree wholeheartedly - except with the "stick is more fun to drive by far". Anyone who bashes auto/tip as a slushbox will reconsider after driving any new Porsche that is equipped as such.

You have functionality at the wheel or at the gearbox/shifter - which still brings a big smile to my face when driving a Targa 4S or Cayenne Turbo (which I have added sereval performance mods bringing it to about 530HP) both of which will do sub 5.0 sec 0-60 launches, both auto/tip hmmm - that doesn't sound like fun?

You can make an auto 3 series fun too with some software and performance mods.

Not downplaying the thrill of stick at all - Just defending us automatic peeps
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There is nothing as much fun as driving a big horsepower car with an auto.
Kooser...your Cayenne sounds like a hoot. Is your E-46 Cabrio a Step?
Also, do you still get a kick out of driving the E-46 even though it is way down on power to the Cayenne?
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Depends on the situation. Living up in the middle of nowhere without traffic, give me a manual eight days a week! LA traffic or in a commuter car, give me an auto.
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Depends on the situation. Living up in the middle of nowhere without traffic, give me a manual eight days a week! LA traffic or in a commuter car, give me an auto.
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Absolutely. I too love a manual when on the open road. Reality is most live urban areas and why cars sold today are easily 90% auto.
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what i prefer: proper manual
what i have: tiptronic
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Old 01-16-2007, 02:33 PM   #20
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what i have: tiptronic
If you have a BMW you have steptronic.

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