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Are you a gun fanatic as well? If so, you'll want to talk to other owners about what you own in this forum.

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Old 03-29-2009, 01:53 PM   #1
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The flip-side of gun ownership :-\

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Old 03-29-2009, 02:02 PM   #5
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There will always be crazy people out there and people who wish to do harm will always have access to weapons. Thus, it is my hope that whoever they encounter will be better armed and better prepared.
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A sword is more frightening than toy-looking gun like glock.

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There will always be crazy people out there and people who wish to do harm will always have access to weapons. Thus, it is my hope that whoever they encounter will be better armed and better prepared.
And a +1 is given here.

I don't see how this is any different than coming in with a bat or ninja stars.

And PK, the post title is indicative of your opinion on guns.. hence the rolleyes. If your post was entirely about people dying, the title would be much different. But now it's a gun debate thread, rather than a bunch of RIP posts.

edit...nm it was gucki.. he is not allowed to type more than 5 words a day hence a smilee.
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And PK, the post title is indicative of your opinion on guns.. hence the rolleyes.
I support gun ownership, and enjoy going to the range. So I am a bit lost with the eye rolling. It's as if there isn't a flip-side to gun ownership, and all the gun owners are storming in here upset that I would even suggest such a duality.
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I support gun ownership, and enjoy going to the range. So I am a bit lost with the eye rolling. It's as if there isn't a flip-side to gun ownership, and all the gun owners are storming in here upset that I would even suggest such a duality.
Well I agree there is a flip side.. but that side as a huge caveat. I think we can associate every single one of these insane acts being carried out by a crazy person that owned a gun.. not by a sane person owning a fire arm. That's where the gun debate dies. I just don't see how a normal, sane person, with or without a gun can go in and start killing people. Hence I think we can agree you have to be crazy to do this and the weapon of choice be it a gun or car or whatever is a moot point.

Anyways i'm off the gym then off to fun stuff. Everyone enjoy their sunday and RIP to those who died.
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And a +1 is given here.

I don't see how this is any different than coming in with a bat or ninja stars.

And PK, the post title is indicative of your opinion on guns.. hence the rolleyes. If your post was entirely about people dying, the title would be much different. But now it's a gun debate thread, rather than a bunch of RIP posts.

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I have a question for the anti-gun people that's a really honest question. I really don't mean it with sarcasm, it's more like i would like to poll what some people think.


If sh*t were to hit the fan, who do you expect to protect you and your family?
Now I do not mean if a burglar comes into your house at night, I mean a big catastrophe... A natural disaster where people are in a panic and start looting, or a terrorist attack, or something like that. Examples that come to mind are Katrina, race riots in LA, etc.

or do you suspect that something like this won't happen?
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I have a question for the anti-gun people that's a really honest question. I really don't mean it with sarcasm, it's more like i would like to poll what some people think.


If sh*t were to hit the fan, who do you expect to protect you and your family?
Now I do not mean if a burglar comes into your house at night, I mean a big catastrophe... A natural disaster where people are in a panic and start looting, or a terrorist attack, or something like that. Examples that come to mind are Katrina, race riots in LA, etc.

or do you suspect that something like this won't happen?
Do you expect something like this only to happen to the US, since you have the most guns? How do you think other countries would handle the situation?

Just putting it out there.
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Do you expect something like this only to happen to the US, since you have the most guns? How do you think other countries would handle the situation?

Just putting it out there.
other countries (without guns) may be setting themselves up for disaster

When I was a little kid, 2 guys came into my house with guns. My dad was up in the middle of the night and put a bullet in one guys leg. Who knows what would have happened if he didn't do this.

All i know is I want to be entitled to live on my property in peace without anyone bothering me, and if someone was to cross the line and come on to my property to hurt me, I want to have a better defense than begging them not to hurt me.
This will increase 100x when i have wife and kids.
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I think I've caught hints of this argument in this thread, but one pro-gun argument that I fail to understand is the, "if everyone had guns, gun related crime would lessen."

Our country went through a time period like that, remember the "Wild, Wild, West?" No thanks.

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A natural disaster where people are in a panic and start looting, or a terrorist attack, or something like that. Examples that come to mind are Katrina, race riots in LA, etc.

or do you suspect that something like this won't happen?
As opposed to what the sensationalized media shows, the majority of people don't flip out when a tornado comes to town and they start looting or killing people. I was here when hurricane Katrina came to town, you know what happened? I got the fcuk out, just as most normal people did. Riots? I'd get the fcuk out. Terrorist attack? How many people started knocking off fellow Americans in NYC when the Towers fell?

I live in a world free of the fears of apocalyptic events.
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other countries (without guns) may be setting themselves up for disaster

When I was a little kid, 2 guys came into my house with guns. My dad was up in the middle of the night and put a bullet in one guys leg. Who knows what would have happened if he didn't do this.

All i know is I want to be entitled to live on my property in peace without anyone bothering me, and if someone was to cross the line and come on to my property to hurt me, I want to have a better defense than begging them not to hurt me.
This will increase 100x when i have wife and kids.
I guess the obvious problem is how they got into the house in the first place without waking anyone up. I'd rather buy a quality security system than a bunch of guns. Or at least buy the former first.

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I think I've caught hints of this argument in this thread, but one pro-gun argument that I fail to understand is the, "if everyone had guns, gun related crime would lessen."

Our country went through a time period like that, remember the "Wild, Wild, West?" No thanks.



As opposed to what the sensationalized media shows, the majority of people don't flip out when a tornado comes to town and they start looting or killing people. I was here when hurricane Katrina came to town, you know what happened? I got the fcuk out, just as most normal people did. Riots? I'd get the fcuk out. Terrorist attack? How many people started knocking off fellow Americans in NYC when the Towers fell?

I live in a world free of the fears of apocalyptic events.
Ironically, most of the world still has this image of the States. And with the current pro-gun arguments, they may have all right to think so.
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I guess the obvious problem is how they got into the house in the first place without waking anyone up. I'd rather buy a quality security system than a bunch of guns. Or at least buy the former first.


Ironically, most of the world still has this image of the States. And with the current pro-gun arguments, they may have all right to think so.
They busted through the front fukin door! this was in the late 80's and nobody had alarms.

But even if you do have surveillance and an alarm, all it tells you is "someones coming for your ass"

What action do you take at that point? you see someone on the screen (assuming you're awake)... what you do? call the cops? Ive seen cops take a solid 10 minutes to come to peoples houses when alarms ring.. common response is "well then your cops suck" ... exactly!!! I don't want to have to rely on someone else for my family's security? I want to be the cop in my house.
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I think I've caught hints of this argument in this thread, but one pro-gun argument that I fail to understand is the, "if everyone had guns, gun related crime would lessen."
"A well armed society is a polite society. - Robert A. Heinlein

You don't understand it because you are not considering it from the viewpoint of someone who wishes to do harm to another person.

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Our country went through a time period like that, remember the "Wild, Wild, West?" No thanks.
A well armed populous does not necessarily equal marshal law.

But further, the police are not your friends - they are not required to protect you. That wording on their cars is nonsense. And if you do trust them, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

Nobody cares about your personal protection like you do. If you are okay with taking your chances with the police, that's fine. Just don't infringe my ability to protect myself.

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As opposed to what the sensationalized media shows, the majority of people don't flip out when a tornado comes to town and they start looting or killing people. I was here when hurricane Katrina came to town, you know what happened? I got the fcuk out, just as most normal people did. Riots? I'd get the fcuk out. Terrorist attack? How many people started knocking off fellow Americans in NYC when the Towers fell?

I live in a world free of the fears of apocalyptic events.
Well, there's one very real situation, described below. You might recognize it.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."


The government needs to keep its corrupt laws away from law abiding citizens' guns. The government should live in constant fear of the populous - not the other way around. As our declaration of independence showed, the final check and balance to a government's power is the populous' ability to defend itself.
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"A well armed society is a polite society. - Robert A. Heinlein

You don't understand it because you are not considering it from the viewpoint of someone who wishes to do harm to another person.



A well armed populous does not necessarily equal marshal law.

But further, the police are not your friends - they are not required to protect you. That wording on their cars is nonsense. And if you do trust them, when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

Nobody cares about your personal protection like you do. If you are okay with taking your chances with the police, that's fine. Just don't infringe my ability to protect myself.



Well, there's one very real situation, described below. You might recognize it.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."


The government needs to keep its corrupt laws away from law abiding citizens' guns. The government should live in constant fear of the populous - not the other way around. As our declaration of independence showed, the final check and balance to a government's power is the populous' ability to defend itself.

Bud, we just have a polar opposite view of life, government, and society. I appreciate your well thought out and respectful response, even if I see the world differently.
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