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Old 04-18-2010, 10:54 AM   #1
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Which e36 as a track car?

If you were going to purchase an e36 for a track car, which would you buy?

e36: m 2dr, m 4dr, m coupe, other.....
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Old 04-18-2010, 11:00 AM   #2
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Old 04-18-2010, 12:08 PM   #3
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What do you want to do with it? Is this just for fun at HPDEs or do you want to go racing?
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Old 04-18-2010, 01:55 PM   #4
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What do you want to do with it? Is this just for fun at HPDEs or do you want to go racing?
Just for fun at HPDE's and maybe some racing in the future!
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Old 04-18-2010, 02:49 PM   #5
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Base model 318ti. I love the 318ti regardless but you also do not ever have to worry about the subframe ripping itself out of the floor. Plus they are light weight as is and are a featherweight when stripped out.
Probably the worst e36 to turn into a track car, terrible rear suspension and it's about as stiff as a wet noodle.

I'd go for a 2 door 328.
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Old 04-18-2010, 03:28 PM   #6
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Very logical responses, especially from a cost stand point of view. I have always wanted to pick up an e36 m coupe as a track car. I know they look odd but I like em...What are the down sides to having one as a track car? Other than cost.
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Old 04-18-2010, 03:40 PM   #7
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Probably the worst e36 to turn into a track car, terrible rear suspension and it's about as stiff as a wet noodle.
Why is the rear suspension terrible when on the 318ti but adequate when on an E30?
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Why is the rear suspension terrible when on the 318ti but adequate when on an E30?
Terrible might be a bit of an exaggeration, but it's certainly not good. On an E30 you're stuck with the e30 design, but with an E36 you've got the option of getting an E36 or E30 rear end. When the e36's rear design is far superior, why would you choose the one with the poorer design?
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Base model 318ti. I love the 318ti regardless but you also do not ever have to worry about the subframe ripping itself out of the floor. Plus they are light weight as is and are a featherweight when stripped out.
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Old 04-18-2010, 12:43 PM   #10
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First, it depends on what you want to do with it - full blown racecar or DE car. Second, it depends on how experienced you are. Third, it depends on how much money you are willing to spend.

Honestly, if I were just starting off, I'd be inclined to purchase a 325 or a 328 (probably a coupe). It's cheaper than an M3 and will get you some good seat time. Additionally, parts are abundant and also cheap. Then, as you gain experience and speed, you can put an S50 or 52 in it and make your very own "M3." This works especially well with the E36 because there is no difference between the M and non-M bodies so you won't start feeling like "man, if I bought an M3 I'd have more room to fit bigger wheels and tires."

But that's just what I would do...

PS - building a track car is time-consuming and expensive. Ask me how I know
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Old 04-18-2010, 03:29 PM   #11
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HAS TO BE an M coupe no vert no moon roof! Most amazing suspension ever! Light and nimble. All you would need to do is throw a 2JZGTE in there w/ all nec mods and you'd have a KILLER track car
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HAS TO BE an M coupe no vert no moon roof! Most amazing suspension ever! Light and nimble. All you would need to do is throw a 2JZGTE in there w/ all nec mods and you'd have a KILLER track car
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:42 AM   #13
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HAS TO BE an M coupe no vert no moon roof! Most amazing suspension ever! Light and nimble. All you would need to do is throw a 2JZGTE in there w/ all nec mods and you'd have a KILLER track car
third retarded post I've seen from you today.
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Old 04-26-2010, 09:11 AM   #14
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third retarded post I've seen from you today.
it was one of those days at work...very long day, I was just trying to make it thru

anyways, I stay by my M coupe, not nec with a 2J, but it would be nice.
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:53 PM   #15
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The lightest E36, I don't count the Ti as an honest E36. Is the 1992 E36 325i, all the glass in the car is thinner. They used the same glass in the 95 LTW for weight reduction. Most of them you find are wore the hell out.

Finding a non sunroof chassis is not easy. I have a 95M3 non sunroof white I call the LTW replica. And no its not for sale... Its my track/fun car.

Buy an M3, a four door is actually slightly stiffer chassis than the coupe. The amount of changes is substantial between an M and non M chassis. 97/98 is the only four door M3 years. If you want a coupe a 95M3 is sliglty lighter than 96+ coupe or sedan. S50 is fine for track. s52 is 200cc more slightly more pull down low. My S52 in one of my 95's made 239whp/229trq WITHOUT cams. had everythign else.

TONS of info on how to set one up cheaply for the track. Ive tracked them since 2001. Before that E30M3's, before that E28 535is/turbo.

The E46 is a capable chassis and basically just an upgraded E36 chassis. I am building a 330i track/street car right now for a customer/buddy I'll post a thread on it when I finish. Lets just say its a substatial build.

1. E36M3 four door, especially if you have any kids. the four door is also MUCH easier to haul crap to the track in you can put four tires across the back seat with the seats out.

2. 95 M3 lighter, cheaper to buy,

My favorite mods on the E36.. 3.38 lsd from a 96+ auto, LTW flywheel... Put a square tire set up on any of them you get 17x8.5 or 9 works best.

Look for a non sunroof car. hard to find but worth it significantly stiffer chassis without the hole and lighter up top makes it feel even better on track..
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i was always that the e36 323i was the lightest body. plus an s52 swap. and you be golden.
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Old 04-19-2010, 08:35 AM   #18
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I'd get a 95 m3 coupe, pull the S52 out sell it to buy some goodies, and drop in an M52. All of the brake and suspension benefits of the M3 with the reliability of the M52. Then down the road you can build the car to JP spec and kick some JP E46 butt! (Sorry Greg)
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I would avoid those unreliable E36s and find an E30.
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