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Old 11-01-2010, 09:31 PM   #1
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Mirror, mirror why do you keep melting?

2004 325i. Before I got it home from the dealer 2 weeks ago the rear view mirror started changing color and then started leaking. I hear that is fairly common. The dealer said they would replace it and they have put 2 mirrors in and they have both turned into lava lamps. You would think the dealer could figure out what's wrong but they just want us to go away. They want to put in a manual mirror instead of the auto-dimming. What do I lose by letting them install the manual mirror? What all does the auto-dim mirror control?
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:40 PM   #2
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dont let them put the manual mirror in. You bought a car with this feature from a dealer, tell them to figure this sh1t. Sounds like its a possible electrical issue. Whatever it comes down to, either let them keep replacing it for a new one, or have them figure out why its melting, but dont settle for the manual mirror.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:54 PM   #3
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dont settle for anything less than what you had in the car when you bought it!!! auto dim feature is actually really nice!

it dims the light reflection on the mirror coming from the headlights of the car behind you. so if you have an ******* behind running his high beams it wont effect you lol
anyways, its their responsibility to figure out whats wrong before something more serious happens to your electronics.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:12 PM   #4
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That's what I think also. They are using mirror's off of trade-in cars instead of a new one. It's a safety issue with me. I can't backup at night with the way it is. It's not the half clear half cloudy like most. It's all bubbles. Makes it hard to change lanes when I'm passing also.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:44 PM   #5
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That's what I think also. They are using mirror's off of trade-in cars instead of a new one. It's a safety issue with me. I can't backup at night with the way it is. It's not the half clear half cloudy like most. It's all bubbles. Makes it hard to change lanes when I'm passing also.
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I NEVER rely on my mirrors. Always use my eyes when changing lanes. Your mirrors will lie to you. Every once in a while it WILL pay off.

As far as the dealer, I wouldnt settle for anything less than a brand new mirror. You may want to contact BMW NA about this. If this fluid were to leak out from the installation of a used mirror, it will damge wahtever it comes in contat with, like your center console. As kthem if they are also willing to pay for this damage as well due to a faulty mirror.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:21 AM   #6
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The bigger issue is why it has done this 3 times. The 1st time was within an hour of driving it off the lot. Has anyone else experienced this recurring issue? What's the solution? You would think that since it come from the people that sell these things they would know how to fix it the 1st time.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:10 PM   #7
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Not that you should have to pay for it, but there's an electronics company in Michigan that refurbs the auto-dim mirrors, Sybesma's Electronics. Do a search; I think it's less than $100. They supposedly put a better kind of "electrochromatic" goo in it. As OrientBlau mentioned, if the stock stuff leaks on your console, it will eat holes in it - like "Alien" blood.

I didn't care for the tinting of the auto-dim mirror, so I replaced mine with a manual unit off eBay. I don't mind having to occasionally twist the ol' clown nose at night. No worries about destroyed consoles, either.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:23 PM   #8
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I got caught "twisting the ol' clown nose" once but that's another story. I spoke with the Sybesma folks. Really nice. They won't have the parts in for another month. My eyes don't work so well so I don't usually dim the mirror anyway but I'd like to have what I had when I bought it. I don't know if the auto dim mirror also controls other functions. Rain, key fob, bluetooth..etc,..
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:51 PM   #9
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Bright lights in my rear view mirror used to always annoyed me, I think my eyes are sensitive to light. I love the auto dimming mirror, the light never bothers me now. I wouldn't have thought this was a big deal before but I think its a nice feature and wouldn't want to do without now.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:55 PM   #10
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I got caught "twisting the ol' clown nose" once but that's another story. I spoke with the Sybesma folks. Really nice. They won't have the parts in for another month. My eyes don't work so well so I don't usually dim the mirror anyway but I'd like to have what I had when I bought it. I don't know if the auto dim mirror also controls other functions. Rain, key fob, bluetooth..etc,..
I was laughing when I typed that!

There sure are a lot of different mirror configurations out there. Fortunately for me, I have an older E46 without a lot of gizmos, so it was easy to find a manual mirror to match. Key fob antenna seems to only be an issue for convertibles, i.e., you can use a convertible mirror in a non-convertible, but not vice-versa. My used mirror came out of convertible.

For figuring out compatibility of all the other mirror buttons and stuff, RealOEM to the rescue!
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:35 PM   #11
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Ok,.. I'll press for an auto-dim but settle for the manual if I have to and then get mine refurbed from Sybesma's Electronics. I just want to drive my dang car at night. I just went for a growler of nut brown and having the blurry lights behind me got real old real fast. I think my antenna is in the Sle-stack above my back glass. Both fobs work after changing the mirror. I would think they would need reprogramming if the mirror was the receiver.
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:06 PM   #12
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Picked up from dealer yesterday with a new mirror. Auto-dim works great and my stomach is feeling much better about the whole experience. Although I think the dealer knew that there was more issues with the car. I'll be trashing their free front tag soon. thanks to all.

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Old 03-15-2011, 08:14 AM   #13
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Here's a link to a video I did when I decided to send mine off to get refurbished. This is an obvious design flaw and should have been replaced by the manufacturer. This will be the 3rd replacement that I've done. Hopefully the last.


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Old 03-15-2011, 10:39 AM   #14
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:49 AM   #15
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My auto-dimmer mirror has leaked and it is now just a mirror mirror. No need for the dimmer; tinted rear window. I'll the the next owner deal with it.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:19 PM   #16
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I'm not too fond of the auto-dimming. I can't see anything thru the rearview at night when there are cars behind me.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:56 PM   #17
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I'm not too fond of the auto-dimming. I can't see anything thru the rearview at night when there are cars behind me.
since my car is lower than most cars on the road, headlights behind me (especially trucks) blind me, and thats even through 20% rear windshield tint.

i am happy i have a manual mirror... auto-dimming mirrors IMO don't get as dark as a manual mirror... maybe its just me but i feel like the manual is a lot darker than the auto when you "switch it"
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Old 03-15-2011, 11:37 AM   #18
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You can also put an E90 mirror in, which is newer and get Homelink and compass:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=694082
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:40 PM   #19
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So it took 3 failed mirrors and their best response is to put in a manual? It doesn't take a genius to break out a voltimeter and start hunting for the issue. If they can't do it bring it to a dealer that can. No reason it should be your loss.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:11 PM   #20
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I'm sending it to Sybesma's Electronics. They have the "fix" that will end the problem that a lot of folks are having. I'll update with an install video. And yes,.. they could have and should have been able to fix the issue but they didn't and that sucks.

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