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Old 01-06-2011, 09:40 AM   #1
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My Green Machine Got A Big Brother. Autobot V. Decepticon

Over the past few years, the 3 has become more and more impractical. Having added the wheels and brakes, it's at the point where I no longer want to use it in inclement weather, yet alone snow and after snow conditions (salt). I have access to my sister's C-Class as she moved elsewhere for work but I have to relinquish that whenever she or my other siblings are in town. So I wanted a second car that I could call my own.

As I didn't mind tinkering on a vehicle and it would technically be a "third vehicle" for a good chunk of the year, reliability wasn't a huge concern. What I did want though was something that had character, was a little unique, and had the ability to go anywhere regardless of conditions.

After years of calling my 3 a Decepticon, it's only fitting that his rival be the Autobot. Just got to figure out where to place the sticker.


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- Xenon headlight conversion kit for headlights and fog lights (6k)
- Clear front & rear turn signal housings along with clear side repeaters
- LED license plate lights
- Pioneer F-5000BT GPS, Bluetooth phone, Back Up camera, Ipod integration (video and audio) which will be mounted in the dash where you see the cubby

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Meeting of the two




Color looks mighty familiar


I'm liking it sans brush guard, running board, light covers, etc. Can't wait to throw on the first mods
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Old 01-06-2011, 09:41 AM   #2
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Nice!! Congrats, it looks like a clean Rover. Green x 2
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Bet you the Range will be in the shop more than your 3. Range looks nice though.
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Looks like big bro and little bro. Your 3 is so clean. You should make the Range a little meaner. Add some tough 20s with good rubber, a tint.
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Old 01-06-2011, 09:54 AM   #9
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whats the reliability on the old ranges?
air suspension is a turn off on its own... MB and land rover never really mastered it
but it does look like a nice truck man. the interior looks pretty pristine
was it used as daily by the previous owner?
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whats the reliability on the old ranges?
air suspension is a turn off on its own... MB and land rover never really mastered it
but it does look like a nice truck man. the interior looks pretty pristine
was it used as daily by the previous owner?
Air suspension is great, heave you driven or been in an S550? I agree that the S500 before it had a lot of issues with it, but the ride is unbelievable.
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Air suspension is great, heave you driven or been in an S550? I agree that the S500 before it had a lot of issues with it, but the ride is unbelievable.
ride is unreal when it actually works... but when it breaks... prepared to sell your kidney.
from reading mbforums and such, to get 1 air shock is like $5000-8000...
you can have half of las vegas hookers plus a bag of blow for that money!
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calling your cars transformers must do wonders for you love life.
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Old 01-06-2011, 10:36 AM   #13
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I love the classic body style, Chase. Should handle any kind of terrain you throw its way.


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I think he's waiting for the right female autobot to walk into his life

Then u just have to look fwd to transformer heaven


Op congrats - I'd be weary of buying a 12 year old car especially one so expensive . I'm sure u did your research
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ride is unreal when it actually works... but when it breaks... prepared to sell your kidney.
from reading mbforums and such, to get 1 air shock is like $5000-8000...
you can have half of las vegas hookers plus a bag of blow for that money!
at 5-8k i just replaced the air shock on my cayenne and it wasn't even 2000$ from the dealer. and +1 chase the ride is amazing. comfort mode for city and sport for highway. feels tighter than my 330ci was on the twisties. i never tried normal yet.

btw nice pick up love those trucks.
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Nice, welcome to the LR community. Now be prepared to mod in the opposite way of the 3 and buy smaller rims and larger profile tires...
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nice pick up man!! i could use one of those myself! if you don't mind asking, what did you pay for it?
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nice pickup, but I just can't get past those older body styles
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Nice!! Congrats, it looks like a clean Rover. Green x 2
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Bet you the Range will be in the shop more than your 3. Range looks nice though.
Nah... It might be in my driveway with a tool box next to it more often but they are actually not to bad to work on and the reputation, while certainly somewhat deserved, is a little over the top. Reason being, many owners of these cars (especially given the price tag of them when new) have zero interest in doing anything themselves. Also, with the massive amount of online vendors reselling old parts for them, it's not too hard to get your hands on stuff nor will you pay all that much for them.
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Looks like big bro and little bro. Your 3 is so clean. You should make the Range a little meaner. Add some tough 20s with good rubber, a tint.
Yeah I'm trying to decide on where to go with wheels and tint. It's something that won't be done for a while anyway but I'm considering buying range rover sport wheels for it. There are tons of RRS owners who throw on aftermarket rims and sell their oem wheels/tires... I'd rather go with an OEM style on this car... not a fan of the typical suv aftermarket rims.

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whats the reliability on the old ranges?
air suspension is a turn off on its own... MB and land rover never really mastered it
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Air suspension is great, heave you driven or been in an S550? I agree that the S500 before it had a lot of issues with it, but the ride is unbelievable.
Great points 04yfz. The air suspension rides unbelieably well, especially considering it's a pretty massive truck. It's incredibly nice for both city, highway, and off roading as there are unique settings for each of these. It also has an "access mode" so that, when in park, you hit a button and the car lowers itself down to the lowest setting so chicks can get in .. all controlled right from the dash


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ride is unreal when it actually works... but when it breaks... prepared to sell your kidney.
from reading mbforums and such, to get 1 air shock is like $5000-8000...
you can have half of las vegas hookers plus a bag of blow for that money!
Ahhh. A perfect exaggeration and the precise language that gives these cars the price point (which I'll touch upon later) that they are in.

The EAS (electronic air suspension) was dubbed by Jeremy Clarkson to be "ingenious engineering". It provides incredibly comfortable, capable rides and allows the car to act as rugged or luxuriously as requested by the owner at a given point in time. The system consists of three basic components:

- Compressor (pulls in air, compresses it, and passes it along)
- Valve block (responsible for taking compressed air and distributing it to the springs)
- Air springs (act like a shock and spring entirely using air compression)

The valve block and compressor have average life spans of roughly 75-125k miles. The springs will last roughly that long though they should be checked more routinely.

Now, what normally happens is somewhere towards the end of the lifespan of the springs (shown below), the rubber starts to get slight cracks or splinters and air will start slowly leaking out. As there is a ton of pressure, even a very small slit will lose air somewhat quickly. This will be obvious to an individual paying even a little bit of attention but to those who just get in and drive, they don't notice. As they drive more and more, the hole gets larger and larger to the point the car can no longer inflate the car up on the spring and it goes into limp mode. Then they take it in.

Now, depending on how long the leak has been building, they also run the problem of damaging the compressor. After all, the compressor is working it's ass off to continually inflate the spring as it loses air. Now, around this point, all four springs are probably close to their end anyway so the dealer will suggest replacing the springs (cost around 125 online but will run 200-300 at the dealer) and will suggest a new compressor 500) and valve block (1000). Then you have installation and this, while rather easy, is time consuming. So now you have a several thousand dollar repair.



That said, if you pay attention, replace the springs when they are going, and don't kill your compressor/valve block, it's not a big deal. The rear springs and compressor were replaced within the last 3 weeks and I'm going to put new springs on the front as they are maybe 80% through the life span... I'd rather take care of it now to not strain the other components.

But this is a perfect microcosm of why even the educated auto world hates these cars... they hear a horror story from someone who was told by a rich mom that a suspension cost 5 grand and they shy away for life..

Now, that doesn't mean that it won't have issues.. it will. But, as long as you tend to the major components (EAS being one of them) it's not bad.

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nice pick up man!! i could use one of those myself! if you don't mind asking, what did you pay for it?
Well, this is a tricky question. If you look at P38s (1995-2002) rovers, the pricing will vary from 4-14 (maybe even higher). The KBB on my car is actually up around 17 but the sellers can never get even close to those numbers because of the reputation (as displayed above).

But, there is the cost of purchasing and then the expected cost of ownership. For me, I was looking at the first 12 months. During that time, the car will need between 1500-3000 in repairs to ensure that it's nice and happy... Could use up to maybe 5k if I want to truly take care of every component. I paid 6500 for the car. In short, it's about a 10k vehicle. The trouble with them is that anyone who knows what they are doing will have invested good money keeping it in great shape and will want to sell it for that... those who took crap care of them want nothing but you have zero idea what you're getting into financially.

I was lucky enough to buy from a RR fanatic and also to find another RR fanatic in the local area who went with me and fully examined the truck. If you're serious about them, go to Rangerovers.net and try and get a local guy to give the car you're interested in a once over. There are major check list items you want to investigate.

For me though, it came down to... do I want a luxurious car that will require tinkering or do I want a trouble free 4Runner... the charm, character, and fun involved with caring for it had this leaps and bounds over the toyota.

It's a cult car and I'm already hooked.
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nice pickup, but I just can't get past those older body styles
I LOVE the P38 body style. I'm not a huge fan of the country (the prior body style) as it's far too minimalistic... but I find the newer rovers 2003+ to be too soccer mom for my tastes. The P38 works for a soccer mom but still has that manly rugged look to it (or at least that's my two cents on it).

I might have the front and rear bumper painted body color though
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