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Old 07-29-2011, 07:10 AM   #1
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Uh oh, global warming models wrong? *gasp*

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow...192334971.html
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NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted, reports a new study in the peer-reviewed science journal Remote Sensing. The study indicates far less future global warming will occur than United Nations computer models have predicted, and supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed.

Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA's Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA's Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.

"The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show," Spencer said in a July 26 University of Alabama press release. "There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."

In addition to finding that far less heat is being trapped than alarmist computer models have predicted, the NASA satellite data show the atmosphere begins shedding heat into space long before United Nations computer models predicted.

The new findings are extremely important and should dramatically alter the global warming debate.

Scientists on all sides of the global warming debate are in general agreement about how much heat is being directly trapped by human emissions of carbon dioxide (the answer is "not much"). However, the single most important issue in the global warming debate is whether carbon dioxide emissions will indirectly trap far more heat by causing large increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds. Alarmist computer models assume human carbon dioxide emissions indirectly cause substantial increases in atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds (each of which are very effective at trapping heat), but real-world data have long shown that carbon dioxide emissions are not causing as much atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds as the alarmist computer models have predicted.

The new NASA Terra satellite data are consistent with long-term NOAA and NASA data indicating atmospheric humidity and cirrus clouds are not increasing in the manner predicted by alarmist computer models. The Terra satellite data also support data collected by NASA's ERBS satellite showing far more longwave radiation (and thus, heat) escaped into space between 1985 and 1999 than alarmist computer models had predicted. Together, the NASA ERBS and Terra satellite data show that for 25 years and counting, carbon dioxide emissions have directly and indirectly trapped far less heat than alarmist computer models have predicted.

In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth's atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth's atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict.

When objective NASA satellite data, reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, show a "huge discrepancy" between alarmist climate models and real-world facts, climate scientists, the media and our elected officials would be wise to take notice. Whether or not they do so will tell us a great deal about how honest the purveyors of global warming alarmism truly are.
They've certainly had their fair share of issues and incorrect modeling for science based off a "consensus" haven't they?
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:57 AM   #2
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:05 AM   #3
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Polar bears dying - wrong
Glaciers melting - wrong
Earth continually getting hotter - wrong
Record hurricanes - wrong
Rising oceans - wrong

So we've gone from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" since that whole warming thing didn't happen even though CO2 continues to exponentially rise. What's next? "Climate Change" will now be referred to as "Overfeeding Flora", think about the trees man!
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I can't wait for people to use this as an excuse to pollute more.
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I can't wait for people to use this as an excuse to pollute more.
I certainly hope that isn't what people would do. GW/CC or not, we should all be making an effort to keep the environment cleaner.

Personally, I do not see C02 as a pollutant given that it is necessary for all life on this planet. Anything in large amounts can do harm, even water...that doesn't make it pollution.
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You guys should read Gore's book. He just posts pictures. Mountains from 50 years ago and the same ones now. Major melting of glaciers has happened from 50 years ago to now. I definitely believe it exists.
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Global warming (now climate change) is nothing more than a money making scheme aimed at profiting off hippies and yuppies who bastardize those who believe it to be anything but "the truth".

When I learned that Al Gore, climate superstar and mother nature's favorite liberal, had his hands DEEP in the Chicago Carbon Exchange (which was poised to act as a stock market for carbon credits should cap and trade legislation go as planned), I lost any and all faith in the concept. As more and more evidence came out which directly disproved previous global warming theories, every thinking man should have given up on the notion. When Climategate occurred, and it came out that the foremost global warming experts were full of sh*t, everyone should have dropped their support. Those who haven't are drinking far too much kool-aid.

Now, is it beneficial to drive hybrid cars? Of course. It reduces our dependency on a limited natural resource and is thus bettering our chances to live on as a species. If it helps reduce pollution, all the better. But to push for hybrid cars to avoid climate change..
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You guys should read Gore's book. He just posts pictures. Mountains from 50 years ago and the same ones now. Major melting of glaciers has happened from 50 years ago to now. I definitely believe it exists.
Read up on the Chicago Climate Exchange and Gore's involvement in it. Then read up on the downfall of CCX (took place shortly after it became apparent even the democratic super majority wouldn't be able to pass carbon trading.. aka cap and trade). Ironically, you haven't heard much from Gore since CCX went downhill. I guess he doesn't care about the climate anymore? Or could it be that he realizes he isn't going to be able to make billions running what would be one of the largest exchange groups in the world?
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Global warming (now climate change) is nothing more than a money making scheme aimed at profiting off hippies and yuppies who bastardize those who believe it to be anything but "the truth".

When I learned that Al Gore, climate superstar and mother nature's favorite liberal, had his hands DEEP in the Chicago Carbon Exchange (which was poised to act as a stock market for carbon credits should cap and trade legislation go as planned), I lost any and all faith in the concept. As more and more evidence came out which directly disproved previous global warming theories, every thinking man should have given up on the notion. When Climategate occurred, and it came out that the foremost global warming experts were full of sh*t, everyone should have dropped their support. Those who haven't are drinking far too much kool-aid.

He's just using the free market to his advantage, though, right?

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if you don't believe that human activity is contributing to a change in the earth's climate, you are an idiot. simple as that.
Very true, but it's a question of the impact that we are having.
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Very true, but it's a question of the impact that we are having.

I don't disagree that we are impacting the environment, but I don't think that the western world is as guilty as everyone would like to believe we are.

Russia, India and China have atrocious environmental records.
They have levels of pollution in those nations that we have never seen in the states, Canada or western Europe.

Despite our levels of consumption, the West still has clean air, clean water and safe transportation. It was the US that first insisted on a catalytic converter for cars and the US that first adopted the EPA (by Nixon). And we led the way with the Clean Water Act and numerous laws to protect our marshlands, waterways and even our public dumps have regulations.

The air in South western Canada and the American Northwest does not meet EPA standards for clean air in many areas. Why? Because the air from Russia, China and India travels in a circle , in a northerly jetstream and carries its pollutants with it.

Do you realize how polluted it must be if it is so nasty after traveling so far?

I don't think it is necessary for the US and the West to raise our standards for pollution control as much as it is important for Russia, India, China and other nations to raise their standards to ours. And enforce the standard. That would have a greater impact than anything we could do.






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I don't disagree that we are impacting the environment, but I don't think that the western world is as guilty as everyone would like to believe we are.

Russia, India and China have atrocious environmental records.
They have levels of pollution in those nations that we have never seen in the states, Canada or western Europe.

Despite our levels of consumption, the West still has clean air, clean water and safe transportation. It was the US that first insisted on a catalytic converter for cars and the US that first adopted the EPA (by Nixon). And we led the way with the Clean Water Act and numerous laws to protect our marshlands, waterways and even our public dumps have regulations.

The air in South western Canada and the American Northwest does not meet EPA standards for clean air in many areas. Why? Because the air from Russia, China and India travels in a circle , in a northerly jetstream and carries its pollutants with it.

Do you realize how polluted it must be if it is so nasty after traveling so far?

I don't think it is necessary for the US and the West to raise our standards for pollution control as much as it is important for Russia, India, China and other nations to raise their standards to ours. And enforce the standard. That would have a greater impact than anything we could do.
It's important for all of us to do something. If we do it first and do it better, our own quality of life will improve, our standard of living will rise, and we'll set a precedent and have the high ground to demand change.

If we don't, they'll continue to pollute, we'll continue to pollute and we're all fvcked.
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It's important for all of us to do something. If we do it first and do it better, our own quality of life will improve, our standard of living will rise, and we'll set a precedent and have the high ground to demand change.

If we don't, they'll continue to pollute, we'll continue to pollute and we're all fvcked.
We've been doing it since 1972.
The US is the one with clean air laws, water laws, rules governing public dumps, recycling etc....


It is the rest of the world that needs to catch up to us.

The US and the Western World are not the villains in this case.

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if you don't believe that human activity is contributing to a change in the earth's climate, you are an idiot. simple as that.
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if you don't believe that human activity is contributing to a change in the earth's climate, you are an idiot. simple as that.
To what degree? What do you make of the conclusions that have been presented as "fact" and then later disputed (as in this article)? Are you using those as your guidepost or your spidey senses?
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if you don't believe that human activity is contributing to a change in the earth's climate, you are an idiot. simple as that.
1 volcano does more polluting than we do. Just sayin.
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And one cow more than a range rover...
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1 volcano does more polluting than we do. Just sayin.
Totally untrue:
" Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value."


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Taylor has criticized climate change science through both his own publications and op/eds, and the Heartland Institute, which has consistently received funding from ExxonMobil. While Taylor espouses through Environment and Climate News that climate change is neither a significant nor man-made problem, and that scientists who say it is are environmental extremists, others argue that a "major purpose of the publication has been to look at global warming from industry's perspective" rather than through the viewpoint of real science.
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One guy, one report. Turns out he's a denier. Shocking. Stop the presses. But wait, it gets better. I'm going to take scientific advice from a guy who denies evolution?

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Peer reviewed son, isn't that what the AGW battle cry was? The stats are legit and so is the analysis. Bringing in a man's religious belief has no bearing on this topic, but I applaud your awesome pic and attempt at a distraction.

I really do admire the libtard peanut gallery going straight to invalidating the source versus looking at the content. You guys would make Saul Alinsky proud. A+
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Please.

The "source" takes money from ExxonMobil.

You want to call that "credible"?
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