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Old 09-05-2012, 11:39 PM   #1
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"Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist"

....except when it does

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http://www.fox16.com/news/local/stor...rDCgwLNrg.cspx

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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) - A Democratic state legislator from east Arkansas, his father and two campaign workers pleaded guilty Wednesday to conspiracy to commit election fraud after federal prosecutors said the lawmaker's campaign bribed absentee voters and destroyed ballots in a special election last year.

Prosecutors said Democratic Rep. Hudson Hallum of Marion, Kent Hallum, Phillip Wayne Carter and Sam Malone acknowledged that they participated in a conspiracy to bribe voters to influence absentee votes in the Arkansas District 54 primary, runoff and general elections in 2011. The four were released pending a sentencing hearing.
Don't forget the 1997 shenanigans in Miami

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/1...al-source.html
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The Miami Herald won a Pulitzer Prize deconstructing the 1997 Miami election after Joe Carollo won a majority at the polls but lost to Xavier Suarez with his very suspicious 2-to-1 advantage in absentee votes. That s how its really done. How elections are pilfered. With absentee ballots.

The Herald discovered voters whose absentee ballots had been forged, voters who said their absentee ballots were filled out by other people, voters who were paid $10 for their absentee ballots. Herald reporters turned up dead absentee voters and Miami absentee voters who didnt live in Miami. Some 45 political operatives were arrested, a city commissioner was carted off to jail and Carollo was declared the lawful winner. A Miami-Dade grand jury, in a monument to understatement, declared, We find that absentee-ballot fraud clearly played an important part in the recent city of Miami elections.
Don't forget votes for cigarettes
http://enquirer.com/editions/2000/12...marlboros.html
http://conservativehideout.com/2011/...on-signatures/

2011 GOP Paul Schurick convicted of robocalls aimed at discouraging 112,000 registered democrats from voting
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...election-fraud

Anyone who wants to trot out more incorrect BS talking points might want to peruse the book Who's Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk by John Fund.

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Old 09-05-2012, 11:59 PM   #2
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An ID will prevent these problems.
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If you ever want to see what I mean by the arbitrariness of categories, check the situation of polarized politics. The next time a Martian visits earth, try to explain to him to why those who favor allowing capital punishment also oppose the elimination of a fetus in the mother's womb.
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I've repeatedly tried to get it through your thick heads that absentee ballot fraud is far more prevalent than in person voter fraud. IDs will not have an effect on this.

BTW, you misspelled your hashtag.
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I've repeatedly tried to get it through your thick heads that absentee ballot fraud is far more prevalent than in person voter fraud. IDs will not have an effect on this.

BTW, you misspelled your hashtag.
Indeed I did, thank you for pointing it out. I obviously have no grasp of the English language, it is amazing I can even communicate with such amazing brainiacs like the 'busa.

I will update this thread as I continue through the book.
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I will update this thread as I continue through the book.
I am waiting with bated breath for your return.
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The democratic hypocrisy.

You had to provide a photo ID at 3 different security levels to enter the convention. Why?

You had to prove that you were an American Citizen to enter the convention. Why?
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The democratic hypocrisy.

You had to provide a photo ID at 3 different security levels to enter the convention. Why?

You had to prove that you were an American Citizen to enter the convention. Why?
Republican hypocrisy. Gun Free Zone within a 6 mile radius of the RNC? WHAT ABOUT MA GUN RIGHTS!@!!?
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The democratic hypocrisy.

You had to provide a photo ID at 3 different security levels to enter the convention. Why?

You had to prove that you were an American Citizen to enter the convention. Why?
I don't recall seeing anything in the Constitution about attending conventions. Did you?
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Voter fraud is so 2-months ago.
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Let's not forget about Minnesota

1,099 ineligible felons voted, and were counted. Franken won by 312 votes. Franken was the filibuster proof majority for Obamacare until Scott Brown won the vacant murderers seat in Mass.

Of those 1,099 there have already been 177 convictions of voter fraud. The law in Minnesota requires the government to prove that:

a. Voter was ineligble to vote
b. Voter knew he/she was ineligble to vote
c. Voter cast a ballot

Another 66 are awaiting trial, by the way

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/capito...pXOmCgKlpmgyZM
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Haha! Are you making it further through your book?
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Haha! Are you making it further through your book?
No, I'm at work. I take forever to read books because I get bored and like to go out drinking.
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More on-existent voter fraud


Literally typing this from the book

Voter ID laws were upheld by the SCOTUS already in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board in 2008. To make matters even more interesting, the majority opinion was written by Judge Stevens who wrote "It remains true...that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation's history by respected historians and journalists, that occasional examples have surfaced in recent years...that...demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."

Interestingly enough, the SCOTUS found that 41.4% of the names on Indiana's voter registration rolls were bad entries representing tens of thousands of ineligible voters.

The DOJ estimated that 100,000 fraudulent votes were cast in the 1982 gubernatorial election. A federal grand jury found that this practice had been going on in prior elections as well. Votes were cast in the name of dead people, people in prison, or registered to vacant lots. Absent voters were impersonated and people would literally cold call voters to see if they voted or planned to vote, then go vote in their place.

Chris Matthews even supported this by saying this type of impersonation fraud "has gone on since the fifties. Someone calls to inquire whether you voted or going to vote, then all of a sudden somebody does come and vote for you. I know all about it in North Philly - its what went on and I believe it still goes on."

In 1984 a grand jury report sent out by Democrat Elizabeth Holtzman cited voter fraud for over 14 years in Brooklyn. This was picked up by the new york times, who headlined the story with "Boss Tweed is gone, but not his vote." The report noted cemetary voting, stuffing the ballot box, voting under fictitious names, the recruitment of people to cast multiple votes.

Once technique they would use is to register with a fake first name and a real last name known to be at a certain address. If John Smith lived at 1 Park Place, they would fill out a card for Mary Smith at the same address. They assume John Smith would just throw out any mail to Mary Smith and not return it to the election board, which is what usually happened.

This works because the USPS didn't return the falsely addressed cards, since they matched the last name or were at large apartment complexes so there wasn't a familiarity with the people like in a small neighborhood. The election board relied on the USPS to return false voter cards, so therein lies the scam.

One witness in the NY case testified that he would lead a crew of 8 individuals and take them from polling place to polling place to vote. Each member of his crew voted 20 times and there were about 20 other crews doing the same at the time.

In 2007 a group of people from a homeless shelter in Hoboken were caught being paid $10 each to go and vote under other people's names. They never even charged them or tried to find out who set them up to do that.

The DOJ won a suit in 2007 in Noxubee Mississippi against Ike Brown (convicted felon, democrat) who had an entire system set up to rig elections. His technique included failing to purge voter rolls. He was heard telling people to just go in and use any name to vote.

In 2004 NC and SC compared voter rolls to find that they had over 60,000 people registered in both states. 180 people were caught voting twice in the 2000 or 2002 elections. The election board caught several people trying to vote in more than one location. They admitted it is difficult to catch people double voting over state lines because they don't share information.

The daily news found that there were 46,000 people registered to vote in NY and FL. Between 400 and 1,000 people voted in both states in at least one election. Florida was won by 537 votes in 2000. One guy admitted to voting in NY and Florida because "That was a situation in Florida is so messed up with the Republicans, you don't know if your vote is even going to be counted." He was never prosecuted.

FOR THE RECORD

A 2006 U of Missouri study found that turnout in Indiana increased with the implementation of voter ID laws with no evidence that counties with high % of poor, minority, elderly suffered any reduction in turnout

A 2007 heritage foundation study found no reduction in turnout in any demographic group

A U of Delaware and U of Nebraska study looked at 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 elections and found that ID laws do not affect turnout, including across racial, gender, ethnic and economic lines. Their conclusion was "much ado about nothing."

The Center for Democracy and Election Management at American University found that a staggering small amount of voters do not already have ID. A 2008 survey across 50 states came up with 9 people out of 12,000. A 2006 survey had 26 out of 36,000.

Ok I'm done typing lol. I'm shocked that some of you still have your heads in the sand about this. Think about it, people are spending MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in elections. Do you really think they are just going to sit back and say "ok let's roll the dice" come voting time? That is dangerously naive.

Remember, Al Franken won by 312 votes. Obamacare was passed by 312 votes in an Senate election in Minnesota. An election where 1,099 felons illegally voted and 177 were convicted and 66 await trial.
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Any time I see a sentence prefaced with the word "Remember", I know it's a straight-up lie.
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Any time I see a sentence prefaced with the word "Remember", I know it's a straight-up lie.
awesome rebuttal, how's that 2 year degree working out for you
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PS - I win

Anyone arguing that voter fraud is a non-issue, you lose. Thanks for playing, I'm just playing with a better hand than you.
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PS - I win

Anyone arguing that voter fraud is a non-issue, you lose. Thanks for playing, I'm just playing with a better than than you.
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