E46 BMW Social Directory E46 FAQ 3-Series Discussion Forums BMW Photo Gallery BMW 3-Series Technical Information E46 Fanatics - The Ultimate BMW Resource BMW Vendors General E46 Forum The Tire Rack's Tire Wheel Forum Forced Induction Forum The Off-Topic The E46 BMW Showroom For Sale, For Trade or Wanting to Buy

Welcome to the E46Fanatics forums. E46Fanatics is the premiere website for BMW 3 series owners around the world with interactive forums, a geographical enthusiast directory, photo galleries, and technical information for BMW enthusiasts.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   E46Fanatics > E46 BMW > General E46 Forum

General E46 Forum
This is the place to get answers, opinions and everything you need related to your E46 (sedan, coupe, convertible and wagon) BMW!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 09-29-2012, 03:14 PM   #1
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
Limp Mode with EML and SES light

Car went into limp mode today and all of the emergency lights came on.

F3 Misfire, Cylinder #6
E3 O2 Sensor adaptation limit, Cylinder #1-3
77 Throttle Position Sensor 2, plausibility, range, or performance

Any ideas?
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Ads by Google

Guests, get your FREE E46Fanatics.com membership to remove this ad.
Old 09-29-2012, 03:27 PM   #2
scarede46er
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Clemson, SC
Posts: 1,254
My Ride: 2001 BMW 325i ZSP
Clean the throttle body. Else replace it. Check for codes after that. The O2 sensors might be going bad, but you should rule out the TPS first.
scarede46er is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2012, 04:02 PM   #3
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
I cleaned the throttle body two times about a month and a half days ago. I'm pretty sure that sucker is cleaned.
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2012, 04:42 PM   #4
jfoj
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Fairfax, VA USA
Posts: 10,592
My Ride: '06 330CiC, '03 M5
Suggest you start with the first link below in my signature.

Pay attention to the intake boots.

Could be a battery/charging issue, MAF, throttle body or a badly leaking intake boot?
__________________
Solve your misfires, lean codes, rough idle - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=897616

Fuel pump failures - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=929501

Temp Info - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=964491

Hidden OBC Menu - Check Voltage, Temps, Fuel Level - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=239619

E46/E39 GM5 Door Lock Info - www.bmwgm5.com

Lower hose fan switch O-ring - BMW #13621743299
jfoj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2012, 10:11 PM   #5
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
Cleared the codes and drove around for five minutes and the SES and EML light is back on. Checked the codes and the only one showing is the 77 Throttle Position Sensor 2, plausibility, range, or performance. Intake boots are perfect and dash indicator says the battery voltage is correct.

Last edited by 2003silver330i; 09-29-2012 at 10:12 PM.
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2012, 10:14 PM   #6
scarede46er
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Clemson, SC
Posts: 1,254
My Ride: 2001 BMW 325i ZSP
It is the throttle body most likely. Might have to bend over and get a new one.
scarede46er is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2012, 10:38 PM   #7
warriorpluto
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: monroe
Posts: 137
My Ride: 2000 323i
Where is the best place to get a new one beside the dealership?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Bimmer App
warriorpluto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2012, 10:49 PM   #8
scarede46er
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Clemson, SC
Posts: 1,254
My Ride: 2001 BMW 325i ZSP
I found a good price here: http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...er=13547502445
scarede46er is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2012, 11:15 PM   #9
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
I cleared the code (77) several times and the freakin thing comes back within a minute with the car is in park and just idling. I also notice that the engine idle slightly moves up and down. Thanks scarede46er, I tend to agree. If that don't fix it then the only thing left to replace is the engine wiring harness.

Last edited by 2003silver330i; 09-29-2012 at 11:16 PM.
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2012, 12:22 PM   #10
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
Checked the manufacturer date on the EDK throttle body and it is dated 09-09-02 so it looks like I have the newest version according to, service bulletin SI B 12 10 02. I can't find any damage on the engine wiring harness so looks like a new TB is in order.
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2012, 01:24 PM   #11
jfoj
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Fairfax, VA USA
Posts: 10,592
My Ride: '06 330CiC, '03 M5
Has the lower intake boot been replaced or removed lately??

Many times the lower boot flap can get caught on the inside of the throttle body. Easy enough to check, just remove the upper intake boot and use a flashlight to look down lower intake boot.
__________________
Solve your misfires, lean codes, rough idle - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=897616

Fuel pump failures - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=929501

Temp Info - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=964491

Hidden OBC Menu - Check Voltage, Temps, Fuel Level - http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=239619

E46/E39 GM5 Door Lock Info - www.bmwgm5.com

Lower hose fan switch O-ring - BMW #13621743299
jfoj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2012, 01:40 PM   #12
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfoj View Post
Has the lower intake boot been replaced or removed lately??

Many times the lower boot flap can get caught on the inside of the throttle body. Easy enough to check, just remove the upper intake boot and use a flashlight to look down lower intake boot.
Too late to check, I have the car torn apart including the rubber intake boot. I cleaned the TB again and did an adaptation test and the TB plate seems to be working fine. I'm just not sure how far the TB plate should open before closing when turning the key to the ON position. I also gave the EDK sensor a good whack with a screw driver (figure its worth a shot).
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2012, 03:54 PM   #13
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
Everything put back together and let the car idle for like 10 minutes and no warning lights. Fingers crossed.
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2012, 09:24 AM   #14
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
Well its back. Started the car this morning after sitting all night and the engine ran rough causing all the warning lights to kick on. Checked the codes and it was 73 again followed by code 87. Cleared them and ran the car for another minute and only 73 showed up. Warmed the car up and cleared the 73 code and drove it with no problems.

Last edited by 2003silver330i; 10-04-2012 at 09:25 AM.
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2012, 11:54 AM   #15
tamb
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: scotland
Posts: 49
My Ride: 323i se
this happind too me water got into electrics and blew sensors pointmeter was broke and something too doo with throtlle now its sorted and eml and engine manigment light is of just bit noizy from injecters and pedal is a bit stiff
__________________
tamb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2012, 02:14 PM   #16
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
tamb, so your throttle body went bad?
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2012, 08:33 PM   #17
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
New codes today:

F0/F1 Misfire, Cylinder #3 & 4
E4 O2 Sensor adaptation limit, Cylinder #4-6

Just seems to be random misfires with no rhyme or reason and is starting to happen more frequently. On top of that I have codes for all 6 ignition coils misfiring that never go away even though I have 6 brand new coils and spark plugs. Car idles like shat cold after sitting over night until it warms up. WTF is wrong with this freakin car.

Last edited by 2003silver330i; 10-06-2012 at 08:40 PM.
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 03:35 PM   #18
Mango
A full five stars, son
 
Mango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,827
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2003silver330i View Post
New codes today:

F0/F1 Misfire, Cylinder #3 & 4
E4 O2 Sensor adaptation limit, Cylinder #4-6

Just seems to be random misfires with no rhyme or reason and is starting to happen more frequently. On top of that I have codes for all 6 ignition coils misfiring that never go away even though I have 6 brand new coils and spark plugs. Car idles like shat cold after sitting over night until it warms up. WTF is wrong with this freakin car.
Did you fully JFOJ?
__________________
A lifetime free of problems if you follow my guides
Cooling | Maintenance | Suspension | Vacuum | Supreme Reliability | Details

OVER A MILLION VIEWS
Mango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2012, 03:48 PM   #19
2003silver330i
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N. Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,589
My Ride: 03 BMW 330i
Codes 73/87 today so I decided to break down and order a brand new Semiens TB. Hopefully that solves my problem.

EDIT: I doubt that it solves my problem because of my shitty luck.

Last edited by 2003silver330i; 10-08-2012 at 04:55 PM.
2003silver330i is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 03:32 PM   #20
Mango
A full five stars, son
 
Mango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,827
My Ride: M54B30
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2003silver330i View Post
Codes 73/87 today so I decided to break down and order a brand new Semiens TB. Hopefully that solves my problem.

EDIT: I doubt that it solves my problem because of my shitty luck.
buy mine for $80 and return yours. pocket money and use to replace camshaft position sensors (didn't fully read your post but you get my idea)

gl!
__________________
A lifetime free of problems if you follow my guides
Cooling | Maintenance | Suspension | Vacuum | Supreme Reliability | Details

OVER A MILLION VIEWS
Mango is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Censor is ON





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
(c) 1999 - 2011 performanceIX Inc - privacy policy - terms of use