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The E46 XI was produced from 01-05 in sedan and touring body styles. Powered by either a 2.5L inline 6 in the 325xi or a 3.0L inline 6 330xi. Discuss all thing about BMW AWD E46 'Xi' here.

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Old 10-09-2012, 05:02 PM   #1
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Outer Ball Joint Replacement on Control Arm.

Has a anyone done it?

Pulled it out and measured it's diameter.

49MM(exact size as an E36 Non Outerball joint)I've got a couple bmw ball joints coming tomorrow. We'll see what works.

Ill keep you guys posted.
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:11 PM   #2
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They aren't replaceable?
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:48 PM   #3
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The Outer Ball Joint in an E46 XI's Lower Control Arm isn't really replaceable, nor are there any Lower Control Arms made for the E46 XIs that are made to replace the Outer Ball Joint when it goes bad (there are ones made for the rear wheel drive E46s however).
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:20 PM   #4
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I think this is a noble pursuit, please keep us informed on you progress. Figuring out how the make a replaceable BJ on the control arms would save fanatics tonnes of $$
I've been eying e36 ball joints as well as a possible press in for the xi control arm. I think there is a Mercedes BJ thay may also work. I've two sets of old arms I was considering experimenting with. The outer ball joint casing is really pressed in hard. I've tried using a cold chisel to pry the casing out but it will not budge. It may have to be cut out. The xi outer ball joint is surrounded by a rubber damping sleeve which in turn is captured by the outer casing and a bottom cap. Do the e36 balls have a rubber sleeve surrounding the BJ.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:34 PM   #5
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I think this is a noble pursuit, please keep us informed on you progress. Figuring out how the make a replaceable BJ on the control arms would save fanatics tonnes of $$
I've been eying e36 ball joints as well as a possible press in for the xi control arm. I think there is a Mercedes BJ thay may also work. I've two sets of old arms I was considering experimenting with. The outer ball joint casing is really pressed in hard. I've tried using a cold chisel to pry the casing out but it will not budge. It may have to be cut out. The xi outer ball joint is surrounded by a rubber damping sleeve which in turn is captured by the outer casing and a bottom cap. Do the e36 balls have a rubber sleeve surrounding the BJ.
thanks, saw the price of the control arm, and didn't really wanted to shell out that much for just a ball joint replacement whiles the arm is perfectly fine.

My E36 M, which requires you to buy new control arm when the ball joint wears out are equipped with Myle HD e30 Ball joints. Alignment are dead on specs.

One problem i noticed with the removed ball joint was that, the iX uses an offset busing ball-joint which i believe induces more camber (or caster?)

Does anyone know what the OE front alignment spec is on the IX?
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Alignment specs for an E30 ix or for and E46 xi?
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:17 PM   #7
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^ E46ix alignment specs.

The e36 ball joint end up working fine.

after examining the other side ball joint before removing it seems like the OE offset ball joints are used to reduce caster.

Using the e36 ball-joint made it gain more caster. I wont know for sure till i throw it on the alignment machine.

but so far, the e36 ball joints are installed, waiting to do the tie rods and a few more maintenance items before going in for an alignment.

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Alignment specs for an E46 XI: Toe Angle (total) 0 degrees 14 minutes +/- 8 minutes, Chamber 20' =/- 20', Caster 5 degrees 27' +/- 30' with +/- 10 degrees wheel lock and 5 degrees 37' +/- 30' with +/- 20 degrees wheel lock.
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Which way was the original ball joint off-set? Front to Rear or Right to Left?
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:15 PM   #10
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^from front to rear..

where did u get the alignment info? tis?
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:51 PM   #11
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Looks good, How did you get the old BJ out of the arm?
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alignment specs direct from Bentley Service Book.............off-set front to back would indicate Caster.
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:25 PM   #13
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Let us know how it checks out when your alignment is done.............and how you removed the old Ball Joint and installed the new Ball Joint.
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^ In for this...I need new arms/ball joints very soon, mine are totally shot.

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Did this take some kinda of ridiculous press or would a 12 ton do the job?
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:53 AM   #16
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ball joint was pressed out using an air hammer around the bottom based of the ball joint.

it was installed using a basic ball joint tool set, similar to this.



alignment should be done sometime next week. still have to change the inner and outer cv boots.

JFYI, i never go with what BMW recommends on all my cars, since it tend to eat tires and over-steers a bit too much. Ill post my specs either way.
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I need a refresh kit for my 01 330xi too but hate to replace a perfectly good control arm to get new ball joints. The guy who designed this should be shot. Too bad we don't get the same offering as our 2WD brothers who can buy a control arm with replacement ball joints.

Since mine is my daily driver and I plan to keep it for a while I'm likely going to buy the whole kit ready to bolt on to my car. Bavauto sells the entire kit including control arms, inner ball joints, new lolly pops with bushings pressed for $766.85. A far cry less expensive than a dealer or indy shop as I won't have to pay for any labor. Since everything is ready to unbolt and bolt on it should be a no brainer. BTW, if you buy the lolly pop brackets and bushings Bavauto presses them in for free.
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I need a refresh kit for my 01 330xi too but hate to replace a perfectly good control arm to get new ball joints. The guy who designed this should be shot. Too bad we don't get the same offering as our 2WD brothers who can buy a control arm with replacement ball joints.
Thanks OP for a good thread. Can you please update us on exactly which ball joint you used (what years / model or a part number?) I'm not familiar enough yet with BMW's to order off the info you posted.

Am I missing something in this last post? I think the OP said that these are replacable and posted pictures of the tools and end results.

I found E36 regular series ball joints, and E36 M series ball joints on ebay but couldn't tell the difference from the pic and they both look like they could fit.

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Thanks OP for a good thread. Can you please update us on exactly which ball joint you used (what years / model or a part number?) I'm not familiar enough yet with BMW's to order off the info you posted.

Am I missing something in this last post? I think the OP said that these are replacable and posted pictures of the tools and end results.

I found E36 regular series ball joints, and E36 M series ball joints on ebay but couldn't tell the difference from the pic and they both look like they could fit.
What you are missing is that there is not a control arm available with intended replaceable ball joints. This guy is trying to create what most of us wish was already available from a reputable parts house - a control arm with replaceable ball joints. This part is available for the E46 but not the xi versions. Hope he succeeds with problems.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:22 AM   #20
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I need a refresh kit for my 01 330xi too but hate to replace a perfectly good control arm to get new ball joints. The guy who designed this should be shot. Too bad we don't get the same offering as our 2WD brothers who can buy a control arm with replacement ball joints.

Since mine is my daily driver and I plan to keep it for a while I'm likely going to buy the whole kit ready to bolt on to my car. Bavauto sells the entire kit including control arms, inner ball joints, new lolly pops with bushings pressed for $766.85. A far cry less expensive than a dealer or indy shop as I won't have to pay for any labor. Since everything is ready to unbolt and bolt on it should be a no brainer. BTW, if you buy the lolly pop brackets and bushings Bavauto presses them in for free.
This is the route I went. Although I purchased my kit from TMS rather than BavAuto... Price is about the same... I think I paid about $800 shipped.

It was a no brainer. Tedious & very very dirty however.
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