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Old 12-08-2012, 01:54 PM   #1
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Fox News really doesn’t seem to have anything better to do in December than continue to manufacture the silly “War on Christmas” and then take real umbrage to the fake campaign. Despite Jon Stewart’s epic dismantling earlier this week, Bill O’Reilly continues his reverse-crusade, and now he’s implicating women and LGBT people in the process. Last night, he and Bernard McGuirk, executive producer of Imus in the Morning, revealed that they actually believe there’s a war against Christianity that’s being led by champions of the right to choose and LGBT equality:

MCGUIRK: "The war on Christmas is very, very real, and if you ask me, in addition to some grouchy misanthropic heathen atheists it has to do — at the root of it — with two things — abortion and the gay rights agenda, because Christianity is against those things. It’s subtle but that’s why it’s so pronounced in recent years."

O’REILLY: "Hundred percent agree. I absolutely agree 100 percent that the diminishment of Christianity is the target and Christmas is the vehicle because the secularists know the opposition to their agenda (legalized drugs is in that as well) comes primarily from the Judeo-Christian traditionalist people."
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Old 12-08-2012, 01:58 PM   #3
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Since when was there a war on Christmas?
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Since when was there a war on Christmas?
Ever since there's been a war on Christianity




The thing is, some people believe this shite.
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The thing is, some people believe this shite.
If there is a war on women, there is a war on Christianity. Either both sides acknowledge their "war" or everyone s+FU about crap like this.

Oddly enough, our society is in a weird place where it is almost encouraged to berate and mock Christianity and Mormonism...yet we still bend over backwards to not offend Jews and Muslims. Quite strange, and illogical.
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If there is a war on women, there is a war on Christianity. Either both sides acknowledge their "war" or everyone s+FU about crap like this.
I don't think there is a "war on women" as it's just a shitty buzz term that some over educated diptard in a press room came up with because it sounds alarming....kinda like the Terror Threat Level colors that Fox News had a while back.


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Oddly enough, our society is in a weird place where it is almost encouraged to berate and mock Christianity and Mormonism...yet we still bend over backwards to not offend Jews and Muslims. Quite strange, and illogical.
I don't think this applies to society as a whole....maybe here in this forum, or among your circle of contacts, but definitely not as a major trend. If that were the case we wouldn't see Christmas commercials starting in August, for example.
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I don't think this applies to society as a whole....maybe here in this forum, or among your circle of contacts, but definitely not as a major trend. If that were the case we wouldn't see Christmas commercials starting in August, for example.
Movies, TV, art, music, politics - all accepted means of disparaging Christians. This is a national trend, not some yankee NY thing. You can't run around calling catholics pedophiles and making magic underwear jokes then freak out when someone makes a turban or yarmulke joke.

Xmas commercials in August are because Xmas is an American consumer holiday now with no religious connotation for most people.
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Religion itself is becoming outdated....good to know I'm not the only one who sees that.
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Religion itself is becoming outdated....good to know I'm not the only one who sees that.
maybe in the US, but the percentage of the world that practices Islam is pretty significant.

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maybe in the US, but the percentage of the world that practices Islam is pretty significant.
IIRC most Americans subscribe to one religion or another (not my personally, though).
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Ok fair enough, but why do people then have a problem with a Christmas tree being called a Christmas tree or a nativity scene at a public building. From what I understand we have freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. I have seen menorahs in government buildings so they are not playing favorites. I watched oreilly where he had that atheist dude on who is crying in rhode island. Now they want all these nativity scenes removed from public areas. This goes back to freedom from. Based in my understanding, any and all religions are free to demonstrate in a public building. If the atheists wanted to put a giant "A" or even a festivus pole and were denied, I would completely understand their beef. That would mean the government is playing favorites with religion allowing one and not another. However, just wanting the removal or someone else's seems wrong to me. I'm Jewish and like Christmas. It's a pleasant time of year. I like what it stands for. I like the pretty lights. I like the decorations and nativity scenes. I like being told merry Christmas by strangers. It's nice. I don't understand why so many have a problem with it. As commercialized as the US is, I find it hard to believe that people think Christmas in a religious sense.
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Ok fair enough, but why do people then have a problem with a Christmas tree being called a Christmas tree or a nativity scene at a public building. From what I understand we have freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion. I have seen menorahs in government buildings so they are not playing favorites. I watched oreilly where he had that atheist dude on who is crying in rhode island. Now they want all these nativity scenes removed from public areas. This goes back to freedom from. Based in my understanding, any and all religions are free to demonstrate in a public building.
Demonstrating is different from allowing semi-permanent displays on public property, or using public funds to create a religious display. It's funny how some conservatives are perfectly fine diverting public resources toward typical right wing causes, however frivolous they may be.

And let's not kid ourselves. The real reason these displays are banned isn't because of people hating on Christians, it's because true equal access, allowing anyone to set up whatever display they want, would cause an uproar.

See "Skeleton Santa" - some people found it offensive, so rather than try to enforce "legitimate religious displays" Loudoun County opted to ban them altogether.

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Demonstrating is different from allowing semi-permanent displays on public property, or using public funds to create a religious display. It's funny how some conservatives are perfectly fine diverting public resources toward typical right wing causes, however frivolous they may be.

And let's not kid ourselves. The real reason these displays are banned isn't because of people hating on Christians, it's because true equal access, allowing anyone to set up whatever display they want, would cause an uproar.

See "Skeleton Santa" - some people found it offensive, so rather than try to enforce "legitimate religious displays" Loudoun County opted to ban them altogether.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/we...135070748.html




Yes, just another way Chase demonstrated what a brainwashed tool he actually is. His performance just prior to the election was nothing short of spectacular.
I don't agree and never will with government money being used for religious purposes. However, if the majority of a nation are a certain type of people, and they want christmas to be celebrated (btw, christmas is a federal holiday) they should be allowed to put a harmless scene of a bunch of people in dress and some tinsel. It hurts no one unless you are looking for something to pick at. I will never agree. Calling a christmas tree a christmas tree and having a nativity scene of a town building laws is completely harmless.....unless you WANT it to be offensive and need something to attack. Like I said, I'm not christian, but like the friendlyness, decoration, the story, the holiday spirit, etc etc etc. I think those atheists are fascists. "I DON'T LIKE IT" means "YOU CANT HAVE IT."
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I don't agree and never will with government money being used for religious purposes. However, if the majority of a nation are a certain type of people, and they want christmas to be celebrated (btw, christmas is a federal holiday) they should be allowed to put a harmless scene of a bunch of people in dress and some tinsel. It hurts no one unless you are looking for something to pick at. I will never agree. Calling a christmas tree a christmas tree and having a nativity scene of a town building laws is completely harmless.....unless you WANT it to be offensive and need something to attack. Like I said, I'm not christian, but like the friendlyness, decoration, the story, the holiday spirit, etc etc etc. I think those atheists are fascists. "I DON'T LIKE IT" means "YOU CANT HAVE IT."
And what if citizen(s) which to put up a display in the spring (just about the time of Passover and Easter) honoring the new season and the god Priapus? Should they be able to use the same public display space? Even if some people find it offensive?

A 6 ft tall display of the Priapus in the public square, and let us just see how long it takes those in the "pro-christmas" camp to be offended.
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And what if citizen(s) which to put up a display in the spring (just about the time of Passover and Easter) honoring the new season and the god Priapus? Should they be able to use the same public display space? Even if some people find it offensive?

A 6 ft tall display of the Priapus in the public square, and let us just see how long it takes those in the "pro-christmas" camp to be offended.
Things have to be a matter of taste as well. Having a god with a giant pen0r where kids can see it our society as a whole is offensive. In greece, maybe not. Again, the majority of this nation is christian, and overwhelming majority of people believe in a religion of some form. I don't really hear muslims or jews complaining about the trees and the nativity scenes. I cannot comprehend how someone can find them offensive.
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And what if citizen(s) which to put up a display in the spring (just about the time of Passover and Easter) honoring the new season and the god Priapus? Should they be able to use the same public display space? Even if some people find it offensive?

Erect A 6 ft tall display of the Priapus in the public square, and let us just see how long it takes those in the "pro-christmas" camp to be offended.
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I don't agree and never will with government money being used for religious purposes. However, if the majority of a nation are a certain type of people, and they want christmas to be celebrated (btw, christmas is a federal holiday) they should be allowed to put a harmless scene of a bunch of people in dress and some tinsel. It hurts no one unless you are looking for something to pick at. I will never agree. Calling a christmas tree a christmas tree and having a nativity scene of a town building laws is completely harmless.....unless you WANT it to be offensive and need something to attack. Like I said, I'm not christian, but like the friendlyness, decoration, the story, the holiday spirit, etc etc etc. I think those atheists are fascists. "I DON'T LIKE IT" means "YOU CANT HAVE IT."
I have no problem putting it up for a vote and going with what the majority favors. That isn't what's going on here.

You didn't address the issue of setting aside public space for religious displays. Are you for or against using public resources (space on lawns, roofs, lobbys, etc...) for religious displays? And if so, which religions are valid for consideration? Which groups are not allowed to use this space?

And for the record, I got a 10' tall tree and decked my house out with lights, so I'm not banging some anti-christmas drum. Private residence though.
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