Are there any cars under $30k w/DSC equivalent?

Besides Mini, are there any cars in this price range with active stability control?

it's 2012. pretty sure the shittiest hyundai has this by now.

Originally Posted by 217Bimmer

it's 2012. pretty sure the shittiest hyundai has this by now.

Is this really how it is nowadays? I haven't car shopped for years. A quick search tells me it's available on the Civic, so maybe you're right.

EDIT: Apparently ESC was required on all cars starting in 2012. I'm actually looking for a used car, so any continued suggestions are appreciated.

Originally Posted by ride365

Is this really how it is nowadays? I haven't car shopped for years. A quick search tells me it's available on the Civic, so maybe you're right.

EDIT: Apparently ESC was required on all cars starting in 2012. I'm actually looking for a used car, so any continued suggestions are appreciated.

well, then looking for used you will definitely have to do your homework. each company has it's own name for it. i don't know if there is a common name you can search by.

Search for cars with asc and ESP. I'm pretty sure esp is the same thing as dsc.

Most used reasonably new cars have stability control in some form.
Why would this be a determining factor in a car purchase?

It's true, I wasn't specific about traction control versus stability control. Stability would be best, but I guess I've got some homework to do.

Originally Posted by SLVR JDM

Why would this be a determining factor in a car purchase?

Buying a car for a teenage/new driver... just wanting to include safety precautions in the equation.

Originally Posted by ride365

It's true, I wasn't specific about traction control versus active control. Active would be best, but I guess I've got some homework to do.



Buying a car for a teenage/new driver... just wanting to include safety precautions in the equation.

New driver? Buy something relatively large, safe, and slow. Traction control is completely useless if someone is driving around like a maniac. A 4 banger accord is an excellent first car. A subaru is nice as well if you want the security of AWD.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

New driver? Buy something relatively large, safe, and slow. Traction control is completely useless if someone is driving around like a maniac. A 4 banger accord is an excellent first car. A subaru is nice as well if you want the security of AWD.

Yes, I'm considering all factors, but this is the only one I didn't know off the top of my head. At the time I bought a new E46, stability control was only on about 12% of cars IIRC. I know the Mini has it, and I was just wondering what other (non-sports) cars have it nowadays.

Several years ago the E46 was actually the cheapest car available with stability control.

Add head protection to that and the E46 is a hell of a "safe car" bargain, if you can keep up with the maintenance.

Originally Posted by ride365

Besides Mini, are there any cars in this price range with active stability control?

Define "active" are you looking for wheel specific braking, yaw control can be quite active beyond just measuring steering input and direction.

It's federal law. All new cars have some form of electronic traction control.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

It's federal law. All new cars have some form of electronic traction control.

traction control is quite different than stability control, but I'm not sure what OP is asking for

Originally Posted by rohde88

traction control is quite different than stability control, but I'm not sure what OP is asking for

DSC equivalent. DSC is dynamic stability control, which is more than just traction control.

I think it's pretty clear what the OP is asking for.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

It's federal law. All new cars have some form of electronic traction control.

Originally Posted by zhp43867

DSC equivalent. DSC is dynamic stability control, which is more than just traction control.

I think it's pretty clear what the OP is asking for.

you're right OP, knows what he wants. but NFR is talking about something else

--confusing me.

Originally Posted by rohde88

you're right OP, knows what he wants. but NFR is talking about something else

--confusing me.

I was under the impression that it is nothing more than software. traction control on all cars is essentially the same. Computer tied to the brakes. The programming of the system is what's different. In BMW/Ferrari/Porsche, etc terms, dynamic means the system can have "levels" of intervention. On Ferraris, the software has 5 programs, (Race, Sport, Snow, etc.) Each one will let you get into a little more trouble before stepping in. Cars like Camry's have a "single program" system that is either ON or OFF.

With the exception of M cars, I was not aware BMW offered this on their regular models. I always thought it was also ON or OFF.

Originally Posted by ride365

Besides Mini, are there any cars in this price range with active stability control?

You mean... a driver?

Originally Posted by Andy2108

You mean... a driver?

cars still come with drum brakes, yet are required to have stability control


how quaint.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

I was under the impression that it is nothing more than software. traction control on all cars is essentially the same. Computer tied to the brakes. The programming of the system is what's different.

actually a lot of traction control systems are tied to throttle and will close it off if you lose traction.

Originally Posted by B_Cyrus

cars still come with drum brakes, yet are required to have stability control


how quaint.



actually a lot of traction control systems are tied to throttle and will close it off if you lose traction.

Sorry, you're right. I meant throttle and brakes. I think they are all tied to throttle and brakes.