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Old 01-03-2013, 01:14 PM   #1
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Where are the SPENDING Cuts?

We now have tax increases on every working American along with the taxes in the Healthcare bill that are starting to take effect. So.......where are the spending cuts?

We are facing another trillion dollar budget debt, but continue the spending.

Do people really believe that now that the "RICH" will be paying MORE, that the economy, debt/deficit etc. are all now solved? The new tax bill to avoid the cliff, according to the CBO, will "only" add $4 trillion to the debt with NO spending cuts at all.

Next ....... the debt ceiling. Stay tuned.

Obama and the demos are not going to reign in their desire to keep spending.
So the cliff has not disappeared.

Do you think we need to cut spending?
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"Compared to that more realistic scenario, the fiscal cliff bill will actually reduce deficits somewhat -- various estimates suggest by roughly $600 billion."

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/01/news...liff-deal-cbo/
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"Compared to that more realistic scenario, the fiscal cliff bill will actually reduce deficits somewhat -- various estimates suggest by roughly $600 billion."

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/01/news...liff-deal-cbo/
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the CBO said it will increase the debt, not reduce it.

CBO: 'Fiscal cliff' deal carries $4 trillion price tag over next decade

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...#ixzz2GwR9jY7I


http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...lion-price-tag
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the CBO said it will increase the debt, not reduce it.

CBO: 'Fiscal cliff' deal carries $4 trillion price tag over next decade

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...#ixzz2GwR9jY7I


http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...lion-price-tag
$4 trillion compared to what?
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Fox News says it will increase the deficit.

Amiright?
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Cliffs Notes :

- Obama (and likeminded individuals) want larger government, more government control, and less of a free market system. They have realized that they are the MINORITY. Americans, as a generalization want less government involvement and a larger role at the state level.

- Because Obama and his minions can't push large government legislation (even his health care bill would have failed in an even remotely bipartisan congress), they will push for larger handouts. They will push for more freebies for the unemployed, healthcare programs for the pool, and other idiotic expansions of the welfare state (inherently making the welfare TRAP more easy to fall into). And he will easily get votes because there are more people now that will take than will make in the economy.

- The expansion of government and larger pools of handouts will result in a budgetary shortfall as we've already seen. This in turn creates a need to collect more revenue.

- Obama will point fingers and place blame on the rich. They are an easy target, are a small portion of society, and serve as a nice scapegoat (germany anyone). By fueling rage, he can then place unfairly high requirements for taxation and justify them through the budgetary crisis he has created.

- The cycle will continue and Obama will push for more handouts which will inevitably HAVE to result in higher taxation.. which results in the shrinking of the private sector and an expansion of government involvement... an inherent push TOWARDS socialism and away from the free market.

While Fox News complains about the government expansion and the topic of the hour, people are blind to the larger systematic push away from the very factors that made this nation so successful. And as people as a whole become indoctrinated into the socialized system, the fight against it will end and the acceptance of it will begin.. as that happens, so does the rise of tyranny.

Capitalism will ultimately fail as the masses have realized they can vote themselves goods from the public treasury. Tyranny will rise and the select few that rule over the masses in this nation will look back and applaud Obama for giving them the chance to rule over Americans as their dependent subjects... subjects that are happy with a meager existence of table scraps.

People like Busa will roll their eyes to this. But they'll also be the first to flip over and take it up the @$$ for Barack.. defending him to the very end regardless of the charges. Solyndra and the vast other examples of crony capitalism had no meaning. The expansion of the fed into healthcare was a "welcome addition" to expansion, and anything other than praise for Barack is the result of racism.. for no intelligent individual could possibly look down upon the actions of his hero.. Because Obama, to him, isn't a politician.. he is an icon and a cult of personality.. one that must be obediently served via praise.. it's rather sad.
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Cliffs Notes :

- Obama (and likeminded individuals) want larger government, more government control, and less of a free market system. They have realized that they are the MINORITY. Americans, as a generalization want less government involvement and a larger role at the state level.

- Because Obama and his minions can't push large government legislation (even his health care bill would have failed in an even remotely bipartisan congress), they will push for larger handouts. They will push for more freebies for the unemployed, healthcare programs for the pool, and other idiotic expansions of the welfare state (inherently making the welfare TRAP more easy to fall into). And he will easily get votes because there are more people now that will take than will make in the economy.

- The expansion of government and larger pools of handouts will result in a budgetary shortfall as we've already seen. This in turn creates a need to collect more revenue.

- Obama will point fingers and place blame on the rich. They are an easy target, are a small portion of society, and serve as a nice scapegoat (germany anyone). By fueling rage, he can then place unfairly high requirements for taxation and justify them through the budgetary crisis he has created.

- The cycle will continue and Obama will push for more handouts which will inevitably HAVE to result in higher taxation.. which results in the shrinking of the private sector and an expansion of government involvement... an inherent push TOWARDS socialism and away from the free market.

While Fox News complains about the government expansion and the topic of the hour, people are blind to the larger systematic push away from the very factors that made this nation so successful. And as people as a whole become indoctrinated into the socialized system, the fight against it will end and the acceptance of it will begin.. as that happens, so does the rise of tyranny.

Capitalism will ultimately fail as the masses have realized they can vote themselves goods from the public treasury. Tyranny will rise and the select few that rule over the masses in this nation will look back and applaud Obama for giving them the chance to rule over Americans as their dependent subjects... subjects that are happy with a meager existence of table scraps.

People like Busa will roll their eyes to this. But they'll also be the first to flip over and take it up the @$$ for Barack.. defending him to the very end regardless of the charges. Solyndra and the vast other examples of crony capitalism had no meaning. The expansion of the fed into healthcare was a "welcome addition" to expansion, and anything other than praise for Barack is the result of racism.. for no intelligent individual could possibly look down upon the actions of his hero.. Because Obama, to him, isn't a politician.. he is an icon and a cult of personality.. one that must be obediently served via praise.. it's rather sad.

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That's rather ironic given Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.
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That's rather ironic given Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.
but even they worked.
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"Compared to that more realistic scenario, the fiscal cliff bill will actually reduce deficits somewhat -- various estimates suggest by roughly $600 billion."

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/01/news...liff-deal-cbo/
You are ridiculous. You championed for tax increases and yet you think that is enough to offset debt and spending? Those are estimates. I'm not believing anything until I see cold hard facts. Btw what is your profession?

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That's rather ironic given Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner.
Slaves were forced to work....
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I posted it, you read it. Do you understand it? If so, good, if not, read it again. Why you asking me. Ask the CBO.
I could tell you if you want to know. The $4 trillion price tag is the difference between what would have happened if ALL tax cuts were to expire. Is that what you would have preferred?
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You are ridiculous. You championed for tax increases and yet you think that is enough to offset debt and spending? Those are estimates. I'm not believing anything until I see cold hard facts. Btw what is your profession?
Why are you obsessed with my profession? Ask someone. Others here know.
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but even they worked.
Their freedom was taken from them in order for others to benefit off their hard work. But I wouldn't expect someone of your cognitive caliber to understand the irony.
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Their freedom was taken from them in order for others to benefit off their hard work. But I wouldn't expect someone of your cognitive caliber to understand the irony.
Ironic that that's exactly what is happening these days.

But I wouldn't expect someone like you who is addicted to drinking the koolaid, to understand that irony.
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Ironic that that's exactly what is happening these days.

But I wouldn't expect someone like you who is addicted to drinking the koolaid, to understand that irony.
Your understanding of irony is abysmal. It's ironic in nature given that Thomas Jefferson embraced an economic practice that is completely contrary to the words he spoke.

It's not ironic given that it's happening today. "Today" is not an individual. It's not a company. It's not an entity of any capacity. What is happening today is you receiving a tutorial on what defines irony.

Your homework assignment is to define irony and then provide three examples of its use. One example might be "Timmy didn't drink at the party because he knew he would be driving home. On the way home, Timmy was hit by a drunk driver."
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The "Bush Era Tax Cuts" is not a true name for the cuts. This administration extended the tax cuts, therefore no longer attached to the previous admin.
Same is true for the two wars. When Obama was elected his first term, the tax cuts and wars became his tax cuts and wars.

Who are you libtards going to blame the last four years on now. Try placing the blame where it belongs. It is Obama's now. The economy, the debt, the deficit, the wars, the taxes, tax cuts, unemployment, Benghazi, healthcare, the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, etc., etc. MAN-UP.
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Capitalism will ultimately fail as the masses have realized they can vote themselves goods from the public treasury. Tyranny will rise and the select few that rule over the masses in this nation will look back and applaud Obama for giving them the chance to rule over Americans as their dependent subjects... subjects that are happy with a meager existence of table scraps.
Tell me Chase, how tyrannical is Japan or the UK? Both have higher tax rates than the US. Are people today fleeing from the tyranny and oppression of either of those two governments?

Higher tax rates do not equal tyranny, oppression, or the end of capitalism. This is not taxation without representation. The american people duly elected the all the folks in the house, senate, and white house who have passed this legislation. Maybe it isn't what you want (or what I want) but that is not tyranny. Stupidity on behalf of the electorate perhaps, but, not tyranny. We have gotten the govt we deserve. The govt we the people put in power and have the power to change. Your is counter-productive. You don't want to fix the problem, you just want to complain about it.
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