interesting assertion - can't be fiscally conservative and socially liberal

Then wtf am I...

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Then wtf am I...

Ditto.

Originally Posted by Lair

Ditto.

Yea, and I just split the atom. The guy who advocates for unions is fiscally conservative.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Yea, and I just split the atom. The guy who advocates for unions is fiscally conservative.

Look at you - totally missing the point.

Again.

Originally Posted by bimmerfan08

Then wtf am I...

Full of sh!t if you don't agree. If you think we need government programs, welfare, this that and the other, then you can't possibly be fiscally conservative since the money comes from the same government piggy bank. You are either a liberal or a fiscal conservative, you can't have it both ways.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Full of sh!t if you don't agree. If you think we need government programs, welfare, this that and the other, then you can't possibly be fiscally conservative since the money comes from the same government piggy bank. You are either a liberal or a fiscal conservative, you can't have it both ways.

I don't like most social programs. I do want social rights.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Full of sh!t if you don't agree. If you think we need government programs, welfare, this that and the other, then you can't possibly be fiscally conservative since the money comes from the same government piggy bank. You are either a liberal or a fiscal conservative, you can't have it both ways.

I don't like most social programs. I do want equal social rights.

For example? What social rights?

free cell phones.

I believe government should cut spending. I believe gays and women are people.

Just looking at the title, it sounds like a republican who's sick of seeing other republicans with that view point vote for a non-republican because of social views.

Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer

I believe government should cut spending. I believe gays and women are people.

Exactly! And I don't care who gets an abortion, as long as I don't have to pay for it.

Originally Posted by Silver_Surfer

Exactly! And I don't care who gets an abortion, as long as I don't have to pay for it.

Thats the point of his video. Once you legalize abortion to the level liberals want, the next step is having it paid for. Medical weed becomes a "prescription drug" and Sandra Fluke needs it paid for. Everything the liberals want costs money. Now, most of the "social rights" ie gay marriage, abortion, drugs, etc I am for, but I am NOT for their fallout, and there lies the problem.

If you don't agree with the video, you are just delusional.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Thats the point of his video. Once you legalize abortion to the level liberals want, the next step is having it paid for. Medical weed becomes a "prescription drug" and Sandra Fluke needs it paid for. Everything the liberals want costs money. Now, most of the "social rights" ie gay marriage, abortion, drugs, etc I am for, but I am NOT for their fallout, and there lies the problem.

If you don't agree with the video, you are just delusional.

Classic slippery slope argument. The world is full of people who are happy to have things one way but against taking that next step. Few people I know think about conservatism and liberalism in Manichean terms.

Originally Posted by NOVAbimmer

Just looking at the title, it sounds like a republican who's sick of seeing other republicans with that view point vote for a non-republican because of social views.

Watch the vid, he's a Christian beating the drum of god-given rights but putting a money spin on it. It's drivel.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Thats the point of his video. Once you legalize abortion to the level liberals want, the next step is having it paid for. Medical weed becomes a "prescription drug" and Sandra Fluke needs it paid for. Everything the liberals want costs money. Now, most of the "social rights" ie gay marriage, abortion, drugs, etc I am for, but I am NOT for their fallout, and there lies the problem.

If you don't agree with the video, you are just delusional.

If you can't see that the video is simplistic, narrow-minded, biased and dogmatic, you are just delusional.

Marijuana is getting paid for one way or another. Legitimizing it and moving the money path out of the shadows and into the light doesn't mean that the govt is going to "make you pay" for someone else's weed.

The religious conservatives in this country know their influence is slipping away. One of their tactics to get what they want is to try to align themselves with fiscal conservatives. If they can't get you to oppose abortion for religious reasons, they'll settle for getting you to oppose it for financial ones.

"Liberal" and "conservative" are broad, often useless labels that are most effective in creating an "us vs them" mentality. And there are plenty of mindless sheep that simply toe the party line.

But in the real world, people often aren't that simple.

Govt: I think there are things the govt is good at, and things that simply have to be done by govt. But I generally think smaller govt is better. More should be done by the private sector.

Taxes: Taxes should be minimized in line with smaller, more efficient, more accountable and results-oriented govt. Redistribution of wealth shouldn't happen. Financial success shouldn't be penalized.

Religion: I believe strongly in the total separation of church and state, and think politicians religious views should be excluded from their decision making.

Welfare: I favor less (but not no) govt welfare, more accountability/higher expectations of able bodied/minded people receiving it, and an increase in private sector help for people in need.

Abortion: I don't believe life begins at conception, so I'm generally pro-choice.

Gay marriage: I think preventing it is discrimination and a civil rights travesty, pure and simple.

Guns: I'd love to get rid of all guns, right after we get rid of all bad people. Until we do, they're here and we have to deal with them rationally, not emotionally.

You can run through the entire list of subjects and you'd find me falling on different "sides" of each. I am "conservative" on some issues, "liberal" on others. Maybe I need my own label, but "delusional" doesn't quite fit.

Originally Posted by mistrzmiasta

lol...i figured that was a litlle too much as i was talking to you and you're usually pretty calm when it comes to debating online.

lol, no worries.

Originally Posted by Xcelratr

Watch the vid, he's a Christian beating the drum of god-given rights but putting a money spin on it. It's drivel.



If you can't see that the video is simplistic, narrow-minded, biased and dogmatic, you are just delusional.

Marijuana is getting paid for one way or another. Legitimizing it and moving the money path out of the shadows and into the light doesn't mean that the govt is going to "make you pay" for someone else's weed.

The religious conservatives in this country know their influence is slipping away. One of their tactics to get what they want is to try to align themselves with fiscal conservatives. If they can't get you to oppose abortion for religious reasons, they'll settle for getting you to oppose it for financial ones.

"Liberal" and "conservative" are broad, often useless labels that are most effective in creating an "us vs them" mentality. And there are plenty of mindless sheep that simply toe the party line.

But in the real world, people often aren't that simple.

Govt: I think there are things the govt is good at, and things that simply have to be done by govt. But I generally think smaller govt is better. More should be done by the private sector.

Taxes: Taxes should be minimized in line with smaller, more efficient, more accountable and results-oriented govt. Redistribution of wealth shouldn't happen. Financial success shouldn't be penalized.

Religion: I believe strongly in the total separation of church and state, and think politicians religious views should be excluded from their decision making.

Welfare: I favor less (but not no) govt welfare, more accountability/higher expectations of able bodied/minded people receiving it, and an increase in private sector help for people in need.

Abortion: I don't believe life begins at conception, so I'm generally pro-choice.

Gay marriage: I think preventing it is discrimination and a civil rights travesty, pure and simple.

Guns: I'd love to get rid of all guns, right after we get rid of all bad people. Until we do, they're here and we have to deal with them rationally, not emotionally.

You can run through the entire list of subjects and you'd find me falling on different "sides" of each. I am "conservative" on some issues, "liberal" on others. Maybe I need my own label, but "delusional" doesn't quite fit.

Thumbs up to all of this. Big time.

lol @ the idea that it's not possible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Maybe if you think in black and white or nothing but extremes, but we live in the gray area, not black and white.

Originally Posted by evolved

lol @ the idea that it's not possible to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Maybe if you think in black and white or nothing but extremes, but we live in the gray area, not black and white.

yet another solid contribution.