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Old 01-09-2013, 09:36 PM   #1
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Cool What % of American pop would have to revolt against the gov't to stand a chance??????

Friend and I are debating whether assault rifles should be legal.
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Government wouldn't stand a chance against armed civilians if it came to that again


I'd LOVE to hear you and your buddies tell me what an "assault rifle" is first.
Second, Id love to hear your justification for wanting to ban them.

Honestly

The fact that assault weapons have already been banned tells me your debate is off to a great start

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I'd LOVE to hear you and your buddies tell me what an "assault rifle" is first.
Second, Id love to hear your justification for wanting to ban them.

Honestly

The fact that assault weapons have already been banned tells me your debate is off to a great start

does the 3% still apply today? does it take into account that the present day US military is vastly superior in armament?
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does the 3% still apply today? does it take into account that the present day US military is vastly superior in armament?
Military took an oath. I feel many would hold that oath, not face off their countrymen which include their own families.

Either way... The largest armed force in the country?.
American gun owners

Sh!t.... PA hunters alone would out number ALL of the US's armed forces
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Military took an oath. I feel many would hold that oath, not face off their countrymen which include their own families.

Either way... The largest armed force in the country?.
American gun owners
if americans across all the states rose up ... then that'd probably work
but if the uprising were to be concentrated in a few states in a certain region, then it might make a difference

also i'm not familiar with the military oath
i just looked it up and i see ... "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
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I think if the government were to neglect the constitution, it would start with something subtle enough that most people wouldn't recognize it as something to defend against.

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Either way... The largest armed force in the country?.
American gun owners

Sh!t.... PA hunters alone would out number ALL of the US's armed forces
Citizens have no protection against aircraft / missiles
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Do you honestly think that missiles and aircraft would be used? How long before EVERYONE stood up and attacked the government then? See your neighbors house hit with a rocket, and you would react fast.

Pretty easy to overwhelm the government, even in DC with a million people just protesting...

Now arm that million...
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does the 3% still apply today? does it take into account that the present day US military is vastly superior in armament?
If we judge history correctly, over 30% of the military will "defect" and fight with the people. Most soldiers are not going to shoot their brothers, their fathers, and their friends. The "military" is actually very weak if the SHTF here. Unlike places like Syria, the US military is made up of rational people WITH something to lose.
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Who is to say the whole military would stand with the government.
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I'd LOVE to hear you and your buddies tell me what an "assault rifle" is first.
Second, Id love to hear your justification for wanting to ban them.


Anything that has a "burst fire" setting/mode, and any gun that fires rounds or until the magazine is empty.

What you think they are compared to what I think they are doesn't matter. Nothing more than hand guns/shotguns/hunting rifles should be legal. You don't need them. Unless you're a revolutionary troublemaker who needs to pull his head out of his ass.
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Anything that has a "burst fire" setting/mode, and any gun that fires rounds or until the magazine is empty.

What you think they are compared to what I think they are doesn't matter. Nothing more than hand guns/shotguns/hunting rifles should be legal. You don't need them. Unless you're a revolutionary troublemaker who needs to pull his head out of his ass.
Ok, so they already are banned. Do you want to ban them twice?

Another question.... Since assault rifles are so evil, tell me...
How many times have they been used in crimes and how many people have been killed from them?

Who's head is up who's aZz? Lol
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Ok, so they already are banned. Do you want to ban them twice?

Another question.... Since assault rifles are so evil, tell me...
How many times have they been used in crimes and how many people have been killed from them?

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Now are you talking about during the course of war aswell?

Let's be real here. Assault rifles were designed for one purpose...to kill. This is coming for the owner of an AK. The history of the AK was not for sport (unless you consider war a sport). The Soviets developed the AK to be an effective combat rifle within 400 meters. Now you have to me. While the AK was designed to be an effective killing machine I, obviously, do not use it for that. Hell, I can't see myself using it for much aside for range shooting and home use. The last time I went to the mall, out to eat, etc. etc. I can tell you that I didn't have my AK with me for self-defense simply because carrying it around is unrealistic. I find it odd that people forget what the original purpose was for most assault rifles.
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Now are you talking about during the course of war aswell?

Let's be real here. Assault rifles were designed for one purpose...to kill. This is coming for the owner of an AK. The history of the AK was not for sport (unless you consider war a sport). The Soviets developed the AK to be an effective combat rifle within 400 meters. Now you have to me. While the AK was designed to be an effective killing machine I, obviously, do not use it for that. Hell, I can't see myself using it for much aside for range shooting and home use. The last time I went to the mall, out to eat, etc. etc. I can tell you that I didn't have my AK with me for self-defense simply because carrying it around is unrealistic. I find it odd that people forget what the original purpose was for most assault rifles.
So you own an AK, and feel you cannot justify your purchase? So, someone forced you to buy it and keep it all this time? Or did you WANT it?

Blanket banning based off of features of a rifle that do not impact how deadly it can be is insane. High cap mags are the problem? Really? Tell me how reloading takes too long. What does a pistol grip do to make the rifle more deadly? How about a collapsable stock. Does it make the bullets faster, or makes them catch fire and seek out children as the target?

Just because you don't agree with something, doesn't mean you should force others to agree with you. Just because there are criminals out there, does not mean I lose my rights. Just because you can't understand why someone wants to own an AR-15, does not mean I should not be allowed to own it.

You are more than welcome to have your opinion, but to be honest I don't have to justify why I want one, or why I own one to anyone. Talk to Tailo about why he needs his weapons. He spends a great deal of money on class 3 weapons, and enjoys them all. None of them have jumped up and killed anyone, not even one child, and his are fully automatic... Some of them are actual, honest to goodness assault rifles. What has his ownership of these great weapons done to personally impact your life?
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Check...Mate'ed yourself
What something is (arguably) designed for means nothing. What something is USED for does.

You avoided my question. You want to ban assault rifles... Since you agree with a ban, you MUST have come to this conclusion based on some empirical
data that proves assault weapons are a problem with violence and death. So I ask again.... How many people have been killed outside of war with an assault rifle?
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wait, are assault weapons banned or not?

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Yes assault weapons are banned. Pre ban firearms can still be owned/transferred though
An SA AR15-AK47 is not an assault weapon

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The top serial killers in the last century all killed more people than any of the recent events, none used guns...

The top mass murder events in the us in the last century are in the 100's + none used guns..

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