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Old 01-11-2013, 02:53 PM   #1
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Just wondering if any of you have ever seen this?

http://forum.pafoa.org/national-11/1...e-located.html

I found it pretty interesting.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:04 PM   #2
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this would be nuts.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:11 PM   #3
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I read the post first, then watched the video...made a bit more sense.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:27 PM   #4
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^^^^so what's the follow up? The last update to that was Jan 2011
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:35 PM   #5
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I have no clue...this is new to me (granted I am not nearly as welll versed in this stuff as the resident gun guys)....and I don't even know what to make of it, just wondering if others were aware/informed about it? Is it trying to say that the ban on automatic weapons never actually happened?
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:44 PM   #6
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I would think that someone in Congress would have said WTF to this and done something about it within a short period of time after the law allegedly passed.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:18 PM   #7
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God, Congress is just full of ****ing babies that are extremely politically correct and follow a strict protocol. It's hilarious.

Every single amendment should be read.

Lmfao.

"The committee is not authorized extend the time allowed."

EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES VOTING. THEY ARE LITERALLY LIMITING THEMSELVES.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:42 PM   #8
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God, Congress is just full of ****ing babies that are extremely politically correct and follow a strict protocol. It's hilarious.

Every single amendment should be read.

Lmfao.

"The committee is not authorized extend the time allowed."

EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES VOTING. THEY ARE LITERALLY LIMITING THEMSELVES.
It really looks like a circus. I have seen backyard auctions better run than this.....and my good friend Charlie....man he's a character.
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Edit: This comment from the video is kind of comical

"it's fvcking embarrassing that I can watch a video of congress in 1986 and see current members."
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I love how they have "only 4 minutes" to decide such an important piece of legislation...I realize they have a busy schedule with 100 days a year off, but maybe they can take a bit more time to actually read and understand the laws they are about to pass.
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I love how they have "only 4 minutes" to decide such an important piece of legislation...I realize they have a busy schedule with 100 days a year off, but maybe they can take a bit more time to actually read and understand the laws they are about to pass.
Maybe they associate their salary with the amount of effort they should put into their work?

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Rank-and-File Members:
The current salary (2013) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year.

•Members are free to turn down pay increase and some choose to do so.

•In a complex system of calculations, administered by the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, congressional pay rates also affect the salaries for federal judges and other senior government executives.

•During the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin considered proposing that elected government officials not be paid for their service. Other Founding Fathers, however, decided otherwise.

•From 1789 to 1855, members of Congress received only a per diem (daily payment) of $6.00 while in session, except for a period from December 1815 to March 1817, when they received $1,500 a year. Members began receiving an annual salary in 1855, when they were paid $3,000 per year.
Congress: Leadership Members' Salary (2013)
Leaders of the House and Senate are paid a higher salary than rank-and-file members.

Senate Leadership
Majority Party Leader - $193,400
Minority Party Leader - $193,400

House Leadership
Speaker of the House - $223,500
Majority Leader - $193,400
Minority Leader - $193,400

A cost-of-living-adjustment (COLA) increase takes effect annually unless Congress votes to not accept it.

Benefits Paid to Members of Congress

You may have read that Members of Congress do not pay into Social Security. Well, that's a myth.

Prior to 1984, neither Members of Congress nor any other federal civil service employee paid Social Security taxes. Of course, they were also not eligible to receive Social Security benefits. Members of Congress and other federal employees were instead covered by a separate pension plan called the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS). The 1983 amendments to the Social Security Act required federal employees first hired after 1983 to participate in Social Security. These amendments also required all Members of Congress to participate in Social Security as of January 1, 1984, regardless of when they first entered Congress. Because the CSRS was not designed to coordinate with Social Security, Congress directed the development of a new retirement plan for federal workers. The result was the Federal Employees' Retirement System Act of 1986.

Members of Congress receive retirement and health benefits under the same plans available to other federal employees. They become vested after five years of full participation.

Members elected since 1984 are covered by the Federal Employees' Retirement System (FERS). Those elected prior to 1984 were covered by the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS). In 1984 all members were given the option of remaining with CSRS or switching to FERS.

As it is for all other federal employees, congressional retirement is funded through taxes and the participants' contributions. Members of Congress under FERS contribute 1.3 percent of their salary into the FERS retirement plan and pay 6.2 percent of their salary in Social Security taxes.

Members of Congress are not eligible for a pension until they reach the age of 50, but only if they've completed 20 years of service. Members are eligible at any age after completing 25 years of service or after they reach the age of 62. Please also note that Members of Congress have to serve at least 5 years to even receive a pension.

The amount of a congressperson's pension depends on the years of service and the average of the highest 3 years of his or her salary. By law, the starting amount of a Member's retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his or her final salary.

According to the Congressional Research Service, 413 retired Members of Congress were receiving federal pensions based fully or in part on their congressional service as of Oct. 1, 2006. Of this number, 290 had retired under CSRS and were receiving an average annual pension of $60,972. A total of 123 Members had retired with service under both CSRS and FERS or with service under FERS only. Their average annual pension was $35,952 in 2006.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:19 AM   #12
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The recorded vote mentioned is on amendment 774, not 777. Both were proposed by Hughes, but 774 was even more restrictive (as in it completely banned "machine guns" among other things. Amendment 777 (since then called the Hughes Amendment) had no recorded vote and was passed with only a voice vote (which yes, is suspect as the chairman repeatedly got the voice vote opposite of the recorded vote).

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