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The BMW E46 ///M3 is the M version E46 and puts out an amazing 333 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque at stock specs! There are an amazing amount of modifications for both the coupe and convertible models so read up and get started modifying your cars today!

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Old 01-19-2013, 06:29 PM   #1
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Why *not* buy an M3 vert?

Noticed in another thread a mention that M3 convertibles don't have the same subframe issues as the coupes?

Which got me to thinking. I've always with the convertibles I've driven, mostly crappy rental cars, but I've been happy to pop the top even when it's cold or for a short ride. (I use my sunroof constantly in my wife's car and my old e46 wagon)

So what are the drawbacks/tradeoffs of an M3 vert?
Do they develop squeaks and rattles and cowl shake?
Is the windscreen well designed for top down highway driving?
Is the top well designed and reliable?
What's it like to drive with the top *up?*
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:40 PM   #2
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Verts are for chicks and cali guys.!
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:00 PM   #3
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So what are the drawbacks/tradeoffs of an M3 vert? Not permitted in wild animal parks and some racing events.
Do they develop squeaks and rattles and cowl shake? Yes on squeaks, not much on cowl shake
Is the windscreen well designed for top down highway driving? Yes, whether you mean the front windshield or the optional wind deflector above the back seat.
Is the top well designed and reliable? It's a good design but complex. This forum has been invaluable in diagnosing. I've been able to solve all problems on my own.
What's it like to drive with the top *up?*Fewer squeaks, too dark, glass rear window makes it tolerable. Be skilled at mirror usage as you'll have a big blind spot.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:35 PM   #4
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People don't like verts because they are slower for weighing ~400 extra lbs.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:40 PM   #5
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The e64 m3 verts are great looking... but very heavy and not allowed on track.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:28 PM   #6
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The e64 m3 verts are great looking... but very heavy and not allowed on track.

You can get them on track. You just need to find an organization and track that accepts verts.
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You can get them on track. You just need to find an organization and track that accepts verts.
Bingo.. none that I have been with let any verts on...cept for autocross..
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people don't like verts because they are insecure and have small wieners.
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people don't like verts because they are insecure and have small wieners.
This....

that aside tho, its(the soft top) one for thing to break, but one less... dont be fooled tho, verts do have floor failure, its just very very rare.

think of them as a very very very big sunroof. If youre insecure, then dont get one, but other than that, theyre great, especially when modded. This is my 1st vert, and man do i love this thing, i can see why those that have verts always get another... the extra weight of the vert, well honeslty, i dont notice it, doesnt affect handling at my pace on the streets, and i believe the difference in 0-60 times is like 0.2 seconds, do you really thinkin youre gonna notice that?
Id like to track it one day, but ive yet to find a place that allows them... other than that tho... whats not to love. and chicks dig em... ghey dudes too, it seems, but thats neither here nor there.
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people don't like verts because they are insecure and have small wieners.
How does having a vert make you insecure or have a small wiener? I think it's quite the opposite if you think about it.
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:55 PM   #12
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How does having a vert make you insecure or have a small wiener? I think it's quite the opposite if you think about it.
Think you've misread his statement
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:54 PM   #13
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This. THIS

Also, I get +3 on happiness when I roll the top down, regardless of how I'm feeling.

My ONLY complaints are that I don't understand how you access the rear shock mounts. And the squeaks which can get up to a 6 on the annoyance scale, but that's because of shitty roads.
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This. THIS

Also, I get +3 on happiness when I roll the top down, regardless of how I'm feeling.

My ONLY complaints are that I don't understand how you access the rear shock mounts. And the squeaks which can get up to a 6 on the annoyance scale, but that's because of shitty roads.
Yes, but remember that you can eliminate all of the squeaks by either properly lubricating all of the weather seals or simply lowering the top.
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Yes, but remember that you can eliminate all of the squeaks by either properly lubricating all of the weather seals or simply lowering the top.
True... But hit a nice series of potholes and you're definitely going to hear it in the body... Maybe not with top down, I haven't paid enough attention.

In any case I don't mind, it's just once in a while. And my friends love it. Yes sometimes 4 dudes in one vert.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:51 PM   #16
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Love my vert. The extra 400 lbs is totally worth being able to drop the top in the summer :-)
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Love my vert. The extra 400 lbs is totally worth being able to drop the top in the summer :-)
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:13 PM   #18
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I was looking for a coupe but came across a great deal on a vert that I couldn't pass up.

I like the vert M3 a lot actually. I live in an area that gets ridiculously hot in the summer so being able to put the top down is great.

They are slower than coupes and heavier but it is of no concern to me. I'm not one to bash and rag on my car just because its a sports car.

Nothing wrong with owning a vert. Plus hardtop looks really good.

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Old 01-19-2013, 11:21 PM   #20
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Seems to me that them not being tracked is a good thing--at least if you're buying.
And I don't know what the speed limits are where you live, but most places I've driven a 325 wagon was plenty fast enough to lose your license.
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