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Old 01-22-2013, 07:34 PM   #1
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Colin Powell Slams ‘Idiot Presentations’ by Some Republicans, Urges GOP Leaders to ‘S

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In an interview with ABC’s Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos during ABC’s special inauguration day coverage this morning, former Secretary of State Colin Powell lashed out at people in the Republican Party who spent the last four years spreading “birther nonsense” and other “things that demonize the president,” calling on GOP leaders to denounce such talk — publicly.

“Republicans have to stop buying into things that demonize the president. I mean, why aren’t Republican leaders shouting out about all this birther nonsense and all these other things? They should speak out. This is the kind of intolerance that I’ve been talking about where these idiot presentations continue to be made and you don’t see the senior leadership of the party say, ‘No, that’s wrong.’ In fact, sometimes by not speaking out, they’re encouraging it. And the base keeps buying the stuff.

“And it’s killing the base of the party. I mean, 26 percent favorability rating for the party right now. It ought to be telling them something. So, instead of attacking me or whoever speaks like I do, look in the mirror and realize, ‘How are we going to win the next election?”

But Powell, who served as National Security Adviser under President Ronald Reagan, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George H.W. Bush and as the nation’s top diplomat under President George W. Bush, didn’t stop there.

“The Republican Party ought to be out there not restricting voting by voter ID, but saying we want everybody to vote,” he told Sawyer and Stephanopoulos. “It’s a party that has to stop saying, ‘We are going to appeal to you with new messages.’ You need policies — the country is becoming more minority.”
Powell, who endorsed President Obama’s reelection bid in October, said that his critiques of the GOP have left some wondering, “Why are you still a Republican?”

Because, Powell said, “I grew up under Ronald Reagan and Cap Weinberger and George Schultz and George Herbert Walker Bush — that’s the Republican party I know — the Howard Bakers of the world, and I think we’ve drifted from that. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to drift a little bit back. Not because it’s just good to be moderate, but because that’s where the American people are. They lost an election — two.”

But Powell also said President Obama needed to do a better job, during his second, term of reaching out to members of Congress. And as for the president’s second inaugural address, Powell said, “I hope he can, through his own example, restore a sense of civility in the country.”
He said that today was a day for members of both parties, “not to scream and argue with each other, but to come together.”
Mr. Powell. It's not gonna change. The republican party you used to know isn't coming back. BTW they want your a$$ out of the party too.
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In order for the GOP to survive they need to evolve; a practice that's not well embraced or understood among some in their party.
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In order for the GOP to survive they need to evolve; a practice that's not well embraced or understood among some in their party.
I've been saying this all along.

Too many stubborn GOPer's. They have the potential to gain popularity but they need some serious reality checks and attention to logic.
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They have the potential to gain popularity ....
How?
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There are several ways. They can become the party of responsible spending and disciplined financial planning. In seems in recent years they spent more time trying to remind and convince people they're fiscally conservative versus actually embracing the notion.

They can make huge gains among women by keeping their mouths shut on topics like abortion and rape. No one wants to hear an old white man tell us "how it is." It would also be a smart decision to back off planned parent hood. And instead of pushing a Pro-Life agenda they can redirect efforts towards increasing sex education, adoption awareness programs and allowing safe heavens where mother's can drop-off their kids no questions asked to places like a fire department or hospital.

Finally, there is a lot of ground to be gained among minorities and immigrants. It has to be more than a superficial interest. And it only takes a few key Republicans to make a huge difference for the party's image. It will take years to gain the trust of minorities and immigrants, but it can be done if done with sincerity.
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I've been saying this all along.

Too many stubborn GOPer's. They have the potential to gain popularity but they need some serious reality checks and attention to logic.
I wish this were a real book, because a good majority of the GOP could probably benefit from it

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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
They are not fiscally conservative enough. They are far too socially conservative.
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They are not fiscally conservative enough. They are far too socially conservative.
Romney would have won (in my opinion) if he was socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Saying the GOP is out of touch, ancient, etc is just stupid, since both parties have their heads completely up their asses. Neither one will help this country.
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Romney would have won (in my opinion) if he was socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Saying the GOP is out of touch, ancient, etc is just stupid, since both parties have their heads completely up their asses. Neither one will help this country.
He was not even close to being a fiscal conservative, but he was socially conservative in my opinion.


Saying that the GOP is out of touch/stupid/whatever doesn't insinuate that the Democratic party is perfect, so I'm not sure what your concern is.
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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
Why did the GOP party bosses pick Romney in the first place?
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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.


says the guy who so ardently supported him prior to the elections

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No. Mitt Romney lost the election because he caved. He wasn't a true republican. Hell, he was ALMOST Obama. The only reason why the republicans can't get it done is because they are not conservative enough.
You're right. The GOP is doing a terrible job capturing the old white demographic. Better go more conservative.
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Wise words from a leader I respect immensely. I think if he ever ran for POTUS, he could practically walk right in he has such integrity and respect from so many Americans. A shame the GOP has moved soooo far to the right of the moderate, pragmatic Republicanism he represents and I think his critique is spot on that the GOP needs to do far more than simply polish up its facade and presentation to become again a viable major party into the future.

I say all this, not as some raving left wing liberal, but rather, as a more pragmatic moderate who actually once worked for a Republican Senator many, many moons ago. It is an interesting question though, given the GOPs rightwards devolution of the past 20-30 years, as to why he's still a Republican for it seems the party he remembers has essentially already left him where he's been standing all along.
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It is one thing to assault a particular person but not the whole GOP.

Colin Powell received a White House Fellowship for President Nixon when he was young, was chosen to be an investigating officer for the Mai Lai massacre, was an adviser to the Sec of Defense and NSA adviser under Reagan, Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State under Bush 2.

I understand he might be disgruntled with the Republican Party's performance lately, but it seems ungrateful for him to make these statements when it was Republican administrations that put him in positions of power and influence so he could make these remarks.


If it was not for Republicans he would just be another retired General, receiving his pension and no one would care who he was or what he thinks.
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It is one thing to assault a particular person but not the whole GOP.

Colin Powell received a White House Fellowship for President Nixon when he was young, was chosen to be an investigating officer for the Mai Lai massacre, was an adviser to the Sec of Defense and NSA adviser under Reagan, Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State under Bush 2.

I understand he might be disgruntled with the Republican Party's performance lately, but it seems ungrateful for him to make these remarks when it was Republican administrations that put him in positions of power and influence so he could make these remarks.


If it was not for Republicans he would just be another retired General, receiving his pension and no one would care who he was or what he thinks.

I think there is a STRONG case to be argued that the GOP of yesterday is but a shadow of the GOP of today. It's funny (to some) to realize that Reagan would probably be labeled a RINO these days by some of the current ranking members of the GOP.
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I think there is a STRONG case to be argued that the GOP of yesterday is but a shadow of the GOP of today. It's funny (to some) to realize that Reagan would probably be labeled a RINO these days by some of the current ranking members of the GOP.
Then he should be working behind the scenes in the GOP to pull it to the right instead of alienating everyone by speaking out in public, denigrating the same organization that made him successful.
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Then he should be working behind the scenes in the GOP to pull it to the right instead of alienating everyone by speaking out in public, denigrating the same organization that made him successful.
My point is that it may be the same organization by name, but not in action or spirit. That is what I view to be his point, and I agree with him.
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