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Old 01-30-2013, 09:26 AM   #1
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Mexico 'welcomes' new U.S. immigration reform push

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But there are an estimated 6.8 million undocumented immigrants from Mexico living in the United States who could benefit from such an overhaul of the U.S. immigration system. And that's a statistic that isn't lost on Mexican officials, who have been pushing for changes in U.S. immigration policies for years.
Glad to see we have the support of the cartels. But Mexico opening its borders or allowing foreigners to buy beach front property? Well, let's just not talk about that.
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6.8 million undocumented immigrants is an astonishing number. I cannot imagine that's cheap.




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Old 01-30-2013, 09:32 AM   #3
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:36 AM   #4
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But hey, that's 6.8 million potential voters, too, for whichever party greases the wheel.
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But hey, that's 6.8 million potential voters, too, for whichever party greases the wheel.
Or treats them with respect and basic human decency, which one party seems to be doing far more effectively and reaping the electoral awards.

Other party seems to be slowly awakening, if haltingly, to this basic equation for future political relevancy.
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Or treats them with respect and basic human decency, which one party seems to be doing far more effectively and reaping the electoral awards.

Other party seems to be slowly awakening, if haltingly, to this basic equation for future political relevancy.
I have already shown that it has nothing to do with that. Stop posting talking points that have no basis in reality.
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I have already shown that it has nothing to do with that. Stop posting talking points that have no basis in reality.
I agree with AOG. The way the GOP treats illegals has nothing to do with the GOP's failure to win Latino votes.













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I agree with AOG. The way the GOP treats illegals has nothing to do with the GOP's failure to win Latino votes.
How stupid are you? GOP amnestied illegals and pushed for comprehensive reform just like the dream act. They still didn't get the vote. The vote is going to those that stand for entitlements.
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This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.
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This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.
President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which legalized close to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Stop your unjustified complaining.
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Not understanding your post, can you address what you mean by the bolded. If they become legal citizens why try to restrict their right to vote? I don't see any logic in this.
This past election has signaled the future of this country. You have two camps.. those that want to provide for themselves and those that want to be provided for. Look at the most recent rumors in the inner circles of the white house...

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As the actions of his first term made clear, and as his second inaugural address declared, President Barack Obama is committed to a distinctive vision of American government. It emphasizes the importance of free enterprise, and firmly rejects “equality of result,” but it is simultaneously committed to ensuring both fair opportunity and decent security for all.

In these respects, Obama is updating Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Second Bill of Rights. To be sure, his second term has barely started, and his precise place in history remains to be established. Yet we can’t appreciate the arc of American politics, or the nation’s current situation and prospects, without understanding the Second Bill.
Read more : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...of-rights.html

As this is pushed, so will the belief that those rights should extend to immigrants.. but what happens when you say "we will give you everything you want, regardless of where you're born.. so long as you're in the US"? Of course, impoverished mexicans will walk across (as will illegals from countries around the globe) to take advantage of those freebies.

The US can NOT AFFORD to provide a home, job, clothes, food, and an iPad to everyone in the world"... And pushing for legislation even resembling that is just asinine.

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President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which legalized close to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Stop your unjustified complaining.
Our country's entitlement system is VASTLY different than it was in the 80's... and Reagan's law pushed for reform which included ENDING illegal immigration into this country. It hasn't worked and we CAN NOT give handouts to anyone who wants to walk across the fawking desert.
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Our country's entitlement system is VASTLY different than it was in the 80's... and Reagan's law pushed for reform which included ENDING illegal immigration into this country. It hasn't worked and we CAN NOT give handouts to anyone who wants to walk across the fawking desert.
In other words... Reagan failed to deliver meaningful immigration reform and consequently provided amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants. Let's see how Bush did...


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Bush Proposal Prompted Surge in Illegal Immigrants

President Bush's proposal for a guest worker program to help stem the tide of illegal immigration actually prompted a surge of illegal border-crossings that the administration then sought to cover up, a watchdog group charged today, citing a 2004 survey by the U.S. Border Patrol.

Judicial Watch, a Washington-based public interest group, said the survey, obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request, showed that 61 percent of a sample of detainees who had been caught illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexican border in the wake of Bush's proposal said they had been informed by the Mexican government or the media that the Bush administration was offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. Nearly 45 percent said the purported amnesty influenced their decision to enter the United States illegally, Judicial Watch said. -- Source


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Our country's entitlement system is VASTLY different than it was in the 80's... and Reagan's law pushed for reform which included ENDING illegal immigration into this country. It hasn't worked and we CAN NOT give handouts to anyone who wants to walk across the fawking desert.
Yes it is. The states have more control and responsibility for welfare than the feds do now. There is more "work-fare" legislation now than in the 80's.

BTW, in case you forgot, Reagan was Gov of Cali. He knew that ending illegal immigration, especially from Mexico wasn't going to happen. It was an action, by the GOP, to try and grab a portion of the hispanic voting block in western swing states. And now the GOP (or at least some of its conservative followers) want to b!tch about the DNC doing the same damn thing they did. Comical.
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This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.
If you looked at the fundamental structure of Social Security and Medicaid, you'd realize how wrong that is. And if Social Security disability keeps rising as fast as it is for another 2-3 years, there will soon exist enough bipartisan support to either curb benefits or restrict disability status.

Sorry, but you guys are dead wrong. The immigration reform push will strengthen our economy. The "crappy" stuff such as "amnesty" for the illegals currently here will also pave the way for the good stuff such as uncapped H-1Bs and a more efficient and streamlined immigration process.

The only real losers are going to be white males without high school diplomas. And **** those guys. If they couldn't succeed now they were never gonna succeed.
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If you looked at the fundamental structure of Social Security and Medicaid, you'd realize how wrong that is. And if Social Security disability keeps rising as fast as it is for another 2-3 years, there will soon exist enough bipartisan support to either curb benefits or restrict disability status.

Sorry, but you guys are dead wrong. The immigration reform push will strengthen our economy. The "crappy" stuff such as "amnesty" for the illegals currently here will also pave the way for the good stuff such as uncapped H-1Bs and a more efficient and streamlined immigration process.
Why are you bringing me into this post? I would bet over 90% of the amnestied illegals will reliably vote democrat. Again, Reagan tried this and the GOP lost hispanic votes in the next election.

I'm saying this is importing guaranteed voters, I didn't talk about entitlements Chase did.
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Why are you bringing me into this post? I would bet over 90% of the amnestied illegals will reliably vote democrat. Again, Reagan tried this and the GOP lost hispanic votes in the next election.

I'm saying this is importing guaranteed voters, I didn't talk about entitlements Chase did.
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Uh huh.

And Reagan didn't do the amnesty to win Hispanic voters. He did it because he believed in the American Dream. Hispanic voters made up less than 2% of the electorate when Reagan was in office.
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This. And it is the SOLE reason the Democrats will push for reform. It's truly PATHETIC and will do nothing to benefit our economy. The tax revenue generated will NEVER cover the costs occurred as entitlements are just furthered to anyone who wants to cross the fkin border.
What makes you so sure? I know many Mexicans and they are, for the most part, quite conservative in their values and lifestyle.
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