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Old 07-01-2009, 03:47 PM   #161
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I'm about to get my control arm bushings replaced (mushy steering is finally getting to me)... and from what I can see, getting aftermarket is better than OEM (lasts longer). if I get an aftermarket CA busings, and perhaps new control arms itself (not to race or enhance, but replace the original that has degraded), is that considered modification? intent is to repair and just want a replacement that will last longer...

may be I should wait until the sub frame is inspected and repaired if needed before I do any of this...
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:28 AM   #162
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Update - went to Brecht BMW for subframe inspection. They gave me a '09 328i loaded as a loaner car for the day. Took all day for inspection and am happy to report no subframe issues at this time per inspection.
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:56 AM   #163
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does this subframe issue happens more to the 5-speed guys or the auto guys too? and i see alot of this happens mostly to the 2000 e46...?
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:32 PM   #164
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I'm going to be taking my 2001 M3 in for this inspection as the PO received the letter a few weeks ago. Anything I should know?
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Old 07-06-2009, 02:27 PM   #165
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Perhaps a redundant question: is this the letter from the law firm or BMW???

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Old 07-06-2009, 06:26 PM   #166
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Letter is from the US District Court for the Central District of California notifying owners/prior owners of E46 models of the impending class action lawsuit. Many BMW dealers are providing a free inspection of the subframe if you call and indicate that you were notified of the lawsuit. If you have not received a letter, chances are you will. It is actually two documents - one outlining the action, and a second questionnaire with questions on details if you had repairs prior to getting this notification and how to submit documentation. The fairness hearing will potentially occur on August 3, 2009 at 10am in Courtroom 3, Western Division Spring Street Courthouse, 312 N. Spring Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012. I said potentially since they can postpone or reschedule or adjourn without notification.
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Old 07-06-2009, 07:16 PM   #167
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O.K. , O.K.> F.Y.I. number 3:

Went to my local dealer this morning for the subframe inspection. They found hairline cracks in the subframe. ...which I found odd because I had new bushings installed only a week ago & my mechanic said everything else underneath looked good.

Anyway, my S.A. then shocks me by telling me that BMWNA will PAY FOR THE WELDING?
I was appalled...I know there's at least one other person on here that has had these repairs covered by BMWNA, but I'm a little suspicious in that I haven't had any problems, and these cracks weren't noticed before. Should I have them show me the cracks? Or should I just wait before even going through with this?
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Old 07-06-2009, 07:21 PM   #168
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BMWNA is paying for my entire thing. Make SURE you get a paid loaner car. Guaranteed they will try and scheist you outa it but talk to BMW of NA and you will get a loaner.
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Old 07-06-2009, 07:27 PM   #169
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Guaranteed they will try and scheist you outa it but talk to BMW of NA and you will get a loaner.
You're already on the money with that one.... but they always do that 'cause I didn't buy the car at my local dealer. So I should just call BMWNA at their 800 number and say I want a loaner when I make the appointment, huh?

Alright, but I'm still on the fence about whether to wait for the settlement or not. I might have my mechanic give the subframe a second look JUST to be on the safe side.
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Old 07-06-2009, 08:14 PM   #170
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Anyway, my S.A. then shocks me by telling me that BMWNA will PAY FOR THE WELDING? I was appalled...
I must be misunderstanding something. Did you mean to say they would NOT pay for it? Or are you suspicious that they are trying to do work that you don't think is needed and collect money from BMWNA?

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Old 07-06-2009, 08:29 PM   #171
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I must be misunderstanding something. Did you mean to say they would NOT pay for it? Or are you suspicious that they are trying to do work that you don't think is needed and collect money from BMWNA?

Bill the Ins provider.
Health Care and Car Care encourage needless work for profiteering.

It is probably as necessary to weld as the 100yr "War On Terror" is necessary.
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Old 07-06-2009, 09:21 PM   #172
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Or are you suspicious that they are trying to do work that you don't think is needed and collect money from BMWNA?
That's one possibility...and yes, they said that BMWNA WILL pay.

But as shorty101 mentioned earlier, "after the 1 year the subframe goes bad I'm screwed? We will have only one year?". That's the other potential scenario...maybe I should wait 'til there's actually a noticeable problem? Will welding some small cracks now prevent anything worse from happening later?

I dunno, maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but this whole issue seems weird to me. I mean 10 years have passed, and now BMW is actually doing something about it? Strange...
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Old 07-07-2009, 12:57 PM   #173
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For the curious, BMW of Seattle knew exactly what I was calling about and set me up with an appointment for Friday. I don't know about the loaner situation, but it doesn't really both me if I don't get one (I have a car that I can borrow).

Hopefully they fix it up good. I'm picking up an aftermarket warranty as soon as it becomes financially sensible to do so (...when my savings are looking a bit healthier)
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Old 07-08-2009, 01:37 AM   #174
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Did both of you guys that are gonna get it fixed for free, do you have any mods or wheels?
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:10 AM   #175
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Did both of you guys that are gonna get it fixed for free, do you have any mods or wheels?
I have 17 x 8" Ronal Wheels...same size as was the optional Sport Package for the 323Ci in 2000, I believe. New rear shocks as of '06, but they are O.E.M.(Sachs) ...so no major mods to the suspension. I also have 3 Dinan mods to the engine, but I don't think that matters to them.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:12 PM   #176
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Excluded from the Class are:
(1) BMW NA, its subsidiaries and affiliates, officers, directors, and employees;
(2) Insurers of Class Vehicles;
(3) All entities claiming to be subrogated to the rights of Class Members;
(4) Issuers of extended vehicle warranties;
(5) Individuals who validly opt out of the settlement;
(6) Any judge to whom this matter is assigned, and his or her immediate family;
(7) Any current or former owner or lessee of a Class Vehicle whose Class Vehicle
was modified for racing, whether sanctioned or not;
(8) Any current or former owner or lessee of a Class Vehicle that has been modified
with suspension parts and/or wheels of a different size; and

(9) Any current or former owner or lessee of a Class Vehicle that has released his/her
claims against BMW NA related to the Sub-Frame Condition.
#8 says people who get different size rims are excluded?!!! If I upgraded to 19in rims, I'm ****ed??!!
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Old 07-08-2009, 03:14 PM   #177
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#8 says people who get different size rims are excluded?!!! If I upgraded to 19in rims, I'm ****ed??!!
Based on my conversation with the attorney's office last week, I don't think the size of the wheel really matters....its just as long as you haven't modified the car in any way in order to support a wheel size that wasn't ever intended for it.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:44 PM   #178
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I live in Edmonton Alberta Canada. I called Bavaria BMW at 780-484-0000 and spoke to Sheldon who is the assistant service manager mentioned that he hear a lttle bit about this issue but was noto sure what the fix is for this issue. Any one in the Edmonton area should call either dealer and get the information to them so they know what is happening with this subframe issue outside of their dealership.When I mentioned about the class action lawsuit he was suprised.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:48 PM   #179
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I live in Edmonton Alberta Canada. I called Bavaria BMW at 780-484-0000 and spoke to Sheldon who is the assistant service manager mentioned to him that I wanted to get information regarding the subframe issue and if he can tell me what he knows about it.He told me that he hear a lttle bit about this issue but was not sure what the fix is for this issue. Any one in the Edmonton area should call either dealer and get the information to them so they know what is happening with this subframe issue outside of their dealership.When I mentioned about the class action lawsuit he was suprised.If everyone calls the dealership they may end up calling the BMW NA and get a campaign going to correct this issue and not be so re active and become more pro active to solve the problem.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:53 PM   #180
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super props for this posting. I would have gotten it fixed and probably thrown the mail in the recycle bin! Now i can finally get rid of that obnoxious squeek.
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