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Old 08-21-2009, 11:01 AM   #1
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Good long range gun for the money? >500yards

Hey guys,
Ive been looking online and im trying to find a good 'entry so to speak' long range setup for target shooting (>500-800yards, maybe 1K later on with more money put in it)! Now, i do know how to shoot, and accuracy is very important to me, im not a gun noob...

From looking online, the Rem 700 SPS (or some form) always pops up, but then has to have a new stock/bedding added to really make it shine? what does this cost now-a-days? is that really the only 'cheaper way to do it?

what i was about to buy a couple days ago was a 'Savage 10 FCP HS'! Do any of you have experience with these? i have never owned a savage before but it seems to be getting rav reviews??

the Cal would be .308 also, but i have also thought about lowering my range to 500meters tops and getting the savage in 5.56 so the rounds could be shared between this new gun and my AR - thoughts?

how about some help guys!
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:31 AM   #2
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The Remington M700 is really a fantastic rifle. If you want extreme accuracy, you'll get it from that rifle out of the box. You just have to make sure that you properly break in the barrel and that it has a good trigger, like Remington's new X-Mark trigger. Ideally, you should go for a 24" or longer barrel, with 26" being preferable. Models that you should look at for base level are the SPS or VTR. You may also want to consider heavy barrel varmint-style rifles that are better designed for long shots, like the Sendero, VLS or VSSF (all available in .308, and .223 for most). These rifles can be had for under $1k.
For a more advanced "out-of-the-box" rifle that is more "mission-oriented", look into Remington's tactical line. Rifles like the XCR Tactical LR or the M700 Tactical Target (best one yet) are very much purpose-built for long-range precision. They have the custom stocks already on them. They have all the features you'd want, short of rings and a scope (another discussion in and of itself). These two rifles range from around $1200-1500 if I remember correctly.

Savage rifles are insanely accurate and a great buy for the money. Savage has a couple nice tactical models, as well as varmint models. If you get one with the accutrigger, you'll be set. Again, just make sure you break the barrel in correctly.

As for the whole .223 vs .308 option, it's up to you. You can do 1,000yd shots with .223, but you have to use 75gr or heavier loads. To use 75gr or heavier loads, you need a 1:9 twist or greater. A 1:7 twist would be ideal. A majority of .223 rifles are 1:12" twist, meaning that they aren't designed to handle anything larger than 55gr. 55gr is fine for up to 300 yard shots, but after that, they just get knocked around. It's ideal to use 75gr rounds like what Hornady offers in their Match ammo. Otherwise, Black Hills Ammunition makes match ammo using Sierra's MatchKing 75 and 77gr bullets. If you reload, you can use Sierra MatchKing 80gr and 90gr rounds in a custom load.
For .308, obviously it would be up to you to use either 168gr or 175gr rounds, since the differences between the two are nominal.
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I own a savage 111fxp3 with the acute trigger myself and it's a great gun for the price.
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thanks guys, so im about to pick up a savage 10 FCP HS! Found a great deal on one and they are supposed to be very accurate!
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thanks guys, so im about to pick up a savage 10 FCP HS! Found a great deal on one and they are supposed to be very accurate!
New I hope. ??
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As for the whole .223 vs .308 option, it's up to you. You can do 1,000yd shots with .223, but you have to use 75gr or heavier loads. To use 75gr or heavier loads, you need a 1:9 twist or greater. A 1:7 twist would be ideal. A majority of .223 rifles are 1:12" twist, meaning that they aren't designed to handle anything larger than 55gr. 55gr is fine for up to 300 yard shots, but after that, they just get knocked around. It's ideal to use 75gr rounds like what Hornady offers in their Match ammo. Otherwise, Black Hills Ammunition makes match ammo using Sierra's MatchKing 75 and 77gr bullets. If you reload, you can use Sierra MatchKing 80gr and 90gr rounds in a custom load.
For .308, obviously it would be up to you to use either 168gr or 175gr rounds, since the differences between the two are nominal.
So my Spikes Tacticle AR-15 has a chromed 1:9 NATO 5.56 barrel. This is better than the average AR?
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So my Spikes Tacticle AR-15 has a chromed 1:9 NATO 5.56 barrel. This is better than the average AR?
No, it's normal. A majority of ARs have 1:9 barrels standard. Some have the option for 1:7 barrels. The 1:9 barrel is designed for the 62gr M855/M856 ammunition, but is feasible for anything from 55gr to 75gr.
ARs typically mirror military specifications.

.223 bolt and single action rifles commonly have the 1:12 barrels.
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No, it's normal. A majority of ARs have 1:9 barrels standard. Some have the option for 1:7 barrels. The 1:9 barrel is designed for the 62gr M855/M856 ammunition, but is feasible for anything from 55gr to 75gr.
ARs typically mirror military specifications.

.223 bolt and single action rifles commonly have the 1:12 barrels.
oh.

I wonder what my Remington 7615 Police pump action is....

1:10 oh well.
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I think with a little money put into it, you could probably hit 500 with a basic setup like this

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hey guys, thought this thread was dead.. i already have bought a rifle, A new Rem 700 tactical, with a McMillian Stock

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The only drawback in my opinion about the r700 is the 1:12 twist. It's nice for 168 but for the 175 the savage fp10's 1:10 would probably stabilize the round and u could even move up to a 190 grain. Keep in mind if u shoot at a 1000 yes the 168 gr isn't gonna work bc it won't stay supersonic which just about every 1000 yd range requires. That's where the 175's come in. So remember the 168's are good to about 800 and the 175s about 1000. Of course if u handload a hot round u could get some extra velocity if u use a thin walled cartridge that holds more powder. I recommend u look into basic handloading for cost and accuracy. If u ever have questions post em here or u can start learning at snipershide.com which is where I frequent. There are some real knowledgeable and real badass people over there inlcuding numerous military and LE snipers. Enjoy ur rifle and remember u only get better by practicing fundamentals. Snipershide has a marksman ship online course that u take to ur gun range and practice. Nothing but great tthings I hear from people who do the online course. Fundamentals are everything.
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I think with a little money put into it, you could probably hit 500 with a basic setup like this

lol, 50 cal will hit over 900 yards wit the right shooter
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Old 10-28-2009, 04:52 AM   #16
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lol, 50 cal will hit over 2,000 yards with the right shooter
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Good fix, looks like bushmaster to me.
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