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Old 07-03-2002, 02:07 PM   #1
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is a Step a really big disadvantage in autox enven if your in 2 gear most of the time

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Old 07-03-2002, 03:24 PM   #2
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hmm.. what are you talking about, step has advantages in autox...
my friend that went and saw a whole bunch of step owner have better time than the stick owner, mainly because they leave it in second gear and just concentrate on driving.. while the manual owner have to shift...

makes sense to me...
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Old 07-03-2002, 03:43 PM   #3
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Yea, it can be, depending on the course design. You have to know your car and adjust accordingly. There are times where you can drop to 1st in really tight turns. A manual is definitely better, but as you can see, it is possible to have success with an automatic.

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Old 07-03-2002, 06:16 PM   #4
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you tell em shinobi....i mean yeah I have a step and driving in 2nd is good enough for me....not that I stay in that gear all the time...

But yes it can be done.....suprisingly but everyone can see the results...from the above awards...good job


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Old 07-03-2002, 08:34 PM   #5
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This is a little bit of wisdom that if you understand it, everything you do with your car will bet 10X better:

It's not the car. It's the driver.

All things being equal, if you were using the exact same driver and the cars were identical, then manual has an advantage.

However, all things are rarely equal. Take two guys, put them in identical cars, and you will often see a bigger difference in times than you would between a stick and auto with the same driver.

What is the most important part of your car to upgrade? The nut behind the wheel.

Once you are a better driver (and "beating" your car and cutting in and out of traffic just makes a person a ****head, not a good driver), then all the performance mods you have invested in really start to return huge dividends.

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Old 07-04-2002, 01:42 AM   #6
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At least for the 330, there would be a disadvantage for Step just for the gear ratio alone. A manual 330 goes up to 62 mph while the Step goes to about 67 mph. That's a difference of 8%, similar to the difference between people who have the stock 2.93 rear-end and the modified 3.15 for the manual 330.

BTW, Rob, what do you think about the torque-multiplication property of the Step at low rpm? I wonder if that makes up for much in an auto-x.

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BTW, Rob, what do you think about the torque-multiplication property of the Step at low rpm? I wonder if that makes up for much in an auto-x.
Thr torque multiplaction properties of a hydraulic torque converter are probably of minimal benefit. The only time where there is a slight edge is the brief period from stopped to converter lockup. If you can auto-x even halfway decently, there is only one time where you should be stopped.

And, on further reflection, some auto-x timing is with a "rolling start" which negates that distinction altogether.

But no matter what car you have - get out there and put the car and yourself in a skill-learning environment! Getting to a road course is an expensive and often difficult proposition, but there is always an auto-x happening near you, ually no more than $20 you can have a great day.

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