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The BMW E46 ///M3 is the M version E46 and puts out an amazing 333 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque at stock specs! There are an amazing amount of modifications for both the coupe and convertible models so read up and get started modifying your cars today! |
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Got an EML & ASC Light + Limp mode? Fix to the TPS sensor (+pics)
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I was driving home and while the car was decelerating following an acceleration, engine power cut out and went into limp mode. "ASC traction" light turns on (the exclamation mark with a triangle around it) as well as the "EML" light and "Check Engine" light. It seems that only about 20% engine power could be used. I pulled over and restarted the car and after driving a few miles, the same thing happens again. Doing it again, it started occurring more frequently at which point I got home two stops later. What you need:
http://www.amazon.com/Actron-CP9145-.../dp/B00020BM2S
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter
Use the OBD-II scanner and PULL THE CODES. Without the proper codes, you won't know what's wrong with your car - it has sensors and diagnostic checks to make sure that it lets you know what the problem is. When I pulled the code, I got "P0121 TPS Sensor." What a TPS sensor is a Throttle Position Sensor which measures where the throttle is. I also got a few other TPS codes and a mixture issue, possibly caused by a number of reasons as the car stalled and such during this ordeal. Background Information To understand what is going on, the easiest way to do it is to picture it in your head. You have a three TPS sensors in the M3, because it's a fancy "drive-by-wire" system, there is no actual hard line that runs from your gas pedal to the engine as in most cars. It sends an electrical signal to the engine to tell it how much you are pushing down the pedal. A TPS sensor is mechanically something called a "potentiometer" which is a fancy way of saying a switch that tells you how much you are pushing it down. Read more about it here if interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiometer Because of this "drive-by-wire" system you have three potentiometers in your M3. One is your pedal, which has to measure how much you push the pedal to give off a signal. And the other two I am not sure about, but theoretically I assume one that measures how much the throttle body opens (the front one) that is hooked up to the throttle on the engine, and another one that is apparently behind the intake or something. Anyway, according to other threads, it's less common when that one goes out so we'll focus on the first two and if it doesn't fix your problem...you're boned, have a nice day. Disassembly It's pretty simple. For the front TPS sensor, you take your philips head bit and socket wrench to unscrew the two screws and pull the TPS directly toward the front of the vehicle. There's an O-ring and the circular aluminum covering also may pop off, so just keep your other hand under it when you pull it off. ![]() For the gas pedal, from kneeling position you'll see a white tab and on the right side (against the firewall) that you can't see, there is a sensor and connection there. Disconnect that link by hand, but it also helps to have angled pliars. Then you push the white tab and pull the pedal sideways toward the brake pedal. It should slide right out. Diagnosis Now with most TPS sensors, they have a given range. I watched this video on YouTube and they say it should normally give a 0.5 ohm reading when you aren't pushing the gas pedal and 4.5 reading when it's floored. Put your multimeter on 20-ohms and connect the two probes to two of the three pins until you get a reading (usually outer and middle). Measuring my FRONT TPS SENSOR I got 0.93-ohms and 5.56-ohms. If it moves COMPLETELY SMOOTHLY then it is NOT BROKEN. However, if there are spikes on the ohmmeter while you rotate the little white thing inside, then you can go to www.getbmwparts.com and overnight the sensor so you can get to work the following day (call your boss to let him know you're sick tomorrow). Mine was completely smooth, so I didn't have to bust $130 on this part - price according to other threads. Next, was the gas pedal TPS sensor. There are six leads and to be honest, I don't remember which ones I used, but along the first row of three pins, try two of those and if it reads 0, try the other two. Same with the second row of pins. It helps if you have a steady hand and a friend to either hold the multimeter's probes or push the gas pedal down. Mine had a spike while pushing down the pedal. In fact, it was all over the place from 0-ohms to 4-ohms and all the way to 12-ohms or so. My gas pedal is f'd. I overnighted a new gas pedal from Tischer BMW and it came the next morning. Right under $160 shipped across the country. My local BMW dealerships wanted $175 + California tax (8.25%) and a 2-3 day wait since none of them had it in stock. ![]() My old one was made in 02 and the new one in 08. Little difference except the new one is like an ounce lighter, can't stand by itself on a desk (weight is off?), and doesn't have the rubber bushing shown in the picture below. ![]() Installation is easy and just reverses the way I took it out. With the new gas pedal, I've noticed the following results:
My Theory When I think about it, it kind of makes sense - when the potentiometer can't give a smooth signal, it sends a spike to the ECU and when throttle used to be at 20% going to 25% and suddenly spikes to 80% for a split second, the car freaks out. The engine usually follows along for a while, hence the jerkiness in my power delivery in the past. When enough of the TPS/potentiometer is messed up, it just sends garbage signals to the ECU and thus the ECU says "I'm not having any more of this ****" and puts you on limp mode and only gives you a little bit of power so you don't feel like you're driving a mechanical bull. Then it waits until you fix it. Well, I hope this writeup helps somebody. It was a bit stressful of an ordeal, but through a diligent diagnosis and researching a bit about the situation, I probably saved myself $600 of labor at the dealership and a couple days of my life without a car. Special thanks to the other people on this forum. I'll post quotes that I found helpful. |
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Special thanks to HiRide for his explanation:
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Last edited by JonHsiung; 10-29-2008 at 01:40 PM. |
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Thanks for the thorough explanation and pics. This exact situation happened to me, codes and everything.
Also, if you can't reach the phillips screws head on, DON'T do it at an angle. I tried to do this away from home using the BMW toolkit screwdriver. You can easily strip the screwhead like I did. Find a shorter driver or carefully remove the engine hoist bracket (wait til engine is cool -- it opens up the cooling system) |
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excellent write up! i have learned a lot from this thread.
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i checked REALOEM and both TPS sensors (near oil filter and under intake manifold) are the same part number??? i just wanted to double check before i order another one.
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Yes they are the same
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I'm trying to remove my gas pedal but need some help. Anybody got info?
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Disconnect the wire, push down on the tabs while sliding the whole thing leftward. It's pretty stuck in there, but after you get it out you'll realize that you just needed to slide it leftward.
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Just wanted to say thank you for this thread. I had this happen to my car (on a 3000km road trip) and while i didn't do the work myself, i was at least able to feel comfortable knowing this was the issue and not something more serious.
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Next, was the gas pedal TPS sensor. There are six leads and to be honest, I don't remember which ones I used, but along the first row of three pins, try two of those and if it reads 0, try the other two. Same with the second row of pins. I was hoping to re-address this, I have tested my tps from the front of the motor and found it to be good. The pedal has 6 pins kinda like this . . . . . . 1 2 3 if i connect pins 1 and 2 i get zero reading if i connet pins 2 and 3 i get a reading of .48 ohms. however it does not change at all when the gas pedal is pressed/depressed I have two gas pedals and both of them respond the exact same way. when checking pins on top row, assuming the same numbers, same thing on both pedals. I really feel like I am doing it wrong. If there was no change at all, the car wouldn't have moved at all. I assume when you tested you separated the top row from the bottom row? I have read there are actually two tps built into one sensor to give the cpu a better idea of actual readings vs bad readings? the tps from the front of the motor tested EXACTLY as you described above and smoothly throughout the range. Any help would be greatly appreciated |
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part number for the TPS for reference
13-63-7-840-383 |
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Ive experienced the same problem and have changed the TPS sensor in the Engine bay and the entire pedal assembly and the problem still keeps occurring.... What should I change now?
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this.
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If you get an error code for a TPS cross check - I usually see people miss diagnose the problem- to fix this you need to change the TPS sensor above oil housing and the TPS sensor on the electric throttle actuator - they are both the same part number- to change the second one you need to remove the intake manifold.
I own two of theses e46 m3's personally- They should really be changed arounf 50k especially in an SMG car- the drivability will improve so much it will feel like a new car too you. |
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My ems light just came on today, same story...restart the car and it goes away, I ran the codes and it came up with a P2127 (Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) Sensor 2 Circuit Low Voltage)
Is this talking about the TPS Sensor in the Pedal hence I should replace my pedal as well?? |
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If you still have the problem then it's the 3rd TPS sensor under the intake manifold which is a pain to get to... I changed the gas pedal and the one in front of the engine and a year later the same thing happened again. I know a BMW tech and he hooked his computer up to the car and bam, it was the one under the intake manifold. Changed it and the car was fixed!
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Also, mentioned above is testing the sensor with a multimeter, im assuming this is with the ignition on and the sensor still in place using the multimeter in place of the sensor wire? I am obviously having the same problems as everyone else, started happening a few days ago. If im careful with the throttle it doesnt seem to trigger the EML. If someone would be good enough to confirm. Cheers, Jord |
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Bump. Does the engine have to be on? Or can you just have the ignition set I or II?
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