hpf stage 4 or s/c e9x

Originally Posted by AirFrcd

Maybe I'm wrong, but I disagree wholeheartedly. The new M3 (2012) will be outfitted with Turbos, as such one can only speculate that a tuner/aftermarket provider would choose this road vs. the current NA e9x M3.

Well said!! Also i asked HPF Chris about their plans with the current E9x M3's and he said that they dont plan on making a turbo kit for them because with V8 you have no room to fit turbos and make a kit up to HPF standards

Originally Posted by cnotesdip

OP is thinking about getting a HPF stage 4 which is about 45k plus buying a e46 m3 i would say about 22k more that's 67k. I'm sure he can get an 08 m3 still under warranty from the dealer for about 40-48k that leaves you with 18k to spend with this you can build a custom turbo kit for the new M3 and use standalone for the tuning, or he could get a NOS system still make good power.

18k on the E9x would go quick,you get SC kit/exhaust/wheels and you already went over the budget,standalone on the E9x m3 would take ALOT of time and money so for custom turbo kit done properly be ready to spend 40k++

From what I have seen thus far, turbocharging the e9x would be extremely expensive. Could be in the hundreds of thousands.

I got the chance of driving the e90 m3 and i loved it, the sound, the interior, the big engine. Sure the stage 4 HPF has more power and faster but how often are you going to use that power? and if is power your looking for i think it would be cheaper to get a e36 and putting a turbo on that, with your budget i think you could make over 1100HP on a e36 and still have some money to spare.

Originally Posted by fredwlau

From what I have seen thus far, turbocharging the e9x would be extremely expensive. Could be in the hundreds of thousands.

if you could find a tuner it shouldn't be that much. Ask around one of these companies developing SC kits may help you with the tuning, you can get the e90 use a NOS system till a reliable turbo kit comes out.

Originally Posted by cnotesdip

if you could find a tuner it shouldn't be that much. Ask around one of these companies developing SC kits may help you with the tuning, you can get the e90 use a NOS system till a reliable turbo kit comes out.

....anndd where would you put turbos on E9x M3's?Also E36 M3 with 1000hp would never be reliable/drivable like E46 HPF car...let alone customer service/warranty that HPF offers.

Even 500hp in a E36 is lil too much,you start breaking stuff and always something wrong with it

What NOS systems are available for the e9x?

Thanks to all so far

s/c the e9x

the hpf cars can't live their lives 10 seconds at a time yet, so I'd take my chance with the e9x

seriously...research it further

or do an E36 M w/ 2JZ w/ huge turbo...EPICness'ness

Originally Posted by howie

s/c the e9x

the hpf cars can't live their lives 10 seconds at a time yet, so I'd take my chance with the e9x

seriously...research it further

or do an E36 M w/ 2JZ w/ huge turbo...EPICness'ness

its been proven that S5X/M5x heads flow better than 2jz and built S5X/M5X will make same if not more power than 2jz at LESS PSI,also powerband is better with BMW inline six so no need for a 2jz swap...

HPF Stage 3, stretch the rear fenders and fit some 305/45/17's. Done.

Either HPF E46 or wait for the new twin turbo straight 6 M... the current (E9x) has been dogged with mixed views on styling (Personally think it's the fugliest 3 ever), overweight setup and less than impressive power (same as the RS4 which came out 4 years earlier).

No I recon the E9x 3 series is doomed to become the VW Golf 3 of the bimmer world.. it is best to be forgotten and avoided.. and now that the E9x is soon to be 2nd hand only it really is a CR@P choice of car...

Also never buy into the "free servicing" bollocks... of COURSE you pay for the servicing.. in the price of the car.. why do you think cars with motorplan are more expensive? DOH! to cover the cost of the motorplan

Originally Posted by AirFrcd

Get an e46 with a stage 3 HPF Turbo./

Originally Posted by AirFrcd

Maybe I'm wrong, but I disagree wholeheartedly. The new M3 (2012) will be outfitted with Turbos, as such one can only speculate that a tuner/aftermarket provider would choose this road vs. the current NA e9x M3.

My man is speaking nothing but the truth here!!

Honestly, I think Stage 3 is really the way to go. Stage 4 will be faster up top but overall driveability and street driving, stage 3 gives you power at much much lower lag.. Ive been in both and I can tell you stage 4 is raw, but with the new Stage 3 Billet turbo setup, its right up there in power and spools much quicker!

What makes you cancel out the option of an E9x with an AA supercharger?



Also I keep tabs with HPF on a daily basis, and I dont think anything E9x M3 is due to be in progress anytime soon.

Originally Posted by M3PTGSC

its been proven that S5X/M5x heads flow better than 2jz and built S5X/M5X will make same if not more power than 2jz at LESS PSI,also powerband is better with BMW inline six so no need for a 2jz swap...

it's also been proven that 2jz's make it into 8-9 second passes in 3600lbs street cars...S5X/M5X not so much. Glad you know the flow # stats tho

I wouldn't swap an e46 M since it's probably not cost effective enough yet, but an e36 M definately 2J!!! I prefer the e36 M > e46 M styling wise

Originally Posted by lutzperformance

Honestly, I think Stage 3 is really the way to go. Stage 4 will be faster up top but overall driveability and street driving, stage 3 gives you power at much much lower lag.. Ive been in both and I can tell you stage 4 is raw, but with the new Stage 3 Billet turbo setup, its right up there in power and spools much quicker!

What makes you cancel out the option of an E9x with an AA supercharger?



Also I keep tabs with HPF on a daily basis, and I dont think anything E9x M3 is due to be in progress anytime soon.

Yeah I've been weighing the differences between the 3 and 4 and it seems that for the price, 3 will give you close to identical performance. I'd like to wait and see the new figures for the 4 when it is in production again however. Can you provide any top end figures for both?

Only reason I haven't honoured the e9x with an AA s/c is simply because I've never seen one in person. It's not so much company specific as it is I just keep hearing mixed opinions about s/cing the e9x. ESS downs Gintani and Gintani downs ESS. If you have any opinions yourself please do share.

^^ I just realized you have a 335, why not build that and kill both e46M and e9x M?!!?

Originally Posted by howie

^^ I just realized you have a 335, why not build that and kill both e46M and e9x M?!!?

I have a CPE 335i, in what other regards could I re-work it?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by fredwlau

Yeah I've been weighing the differences between the 3 and 4 and it seems that for the price, 3 will give you close to identical performance. I'd like to wait and see the new figures for the 4 when it is in production again however. Can you provide any top end figures for both?

Only reason I haven't honoured the e9x with an AA s/c is simply because I've never seen one in person. It's not so much company specific as it is I just keep hearing mixed opinions about s/cing the e9x. ESS downs Gintani and Gintani downs ESS. If you have any opinions yourself please do share.

Well I have seen all 3 in person, however being an AA dealer I have much more information on quality and the type of R&D Active did before releasing their kit to the public.

I spent last Friday at active talking with the guys at Active about the ins and outs of their kit and reasoning for some of the delays they were having. And to start the Active E9x project car has had their kit installed on the car for over a year and throughout that time they have made changes and improved the kit while it was still in the R&D Process in house, this shows the end result quality that you will have once your ready to install it on your car. I personally love the design and OEM fitment that their kit seems to posses and how clean the engine bay is with everything installed.

As far as top end figures for the HPF Stage 3 & 4 what are you looking for HP figured or other type of data?

Hope this helps!

Originally Posted by fredwlau

I have a CPE 335i, in what other regards could I re-work it?

Thanks!

Easy... ONE BIG TURBO.

Originally Posted by howie

it's also been proven that 2jz's make it into 8-9 second passes in 3600lbs street cars...S5X/M5X not so much. Glad you know the flow # stats tho

I wouldn't swap an e46 M since it's probably not cost effective enough yet, but an e36 M definately 2J!!! I prefer the e36 M > e46 M styling wise

Those cars use turbo 400 transmissions. No hpf car has done that.

Originally Posted by fredwlau

I have a CPE 335i, in what other regards could I re-work it?

Thanks!

pppppfffftttt...cmon man. Sky's the limit with a twin turbo inline 6 to start from. 2 larger turbos, 1 big turbo, jb3 chip, exhaust, intake, intercooler, drag radials, a few more things!

That thing will run 10s with a few grand! Only thing is you will need to drop about $3000 alone for the posi/LSD rear end, but once you've done that = M3 KILLER, HPF or not

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes

Originally Posted by Forcefed M3

Those cars use turbo 400 transmissions. No hpf car has done that.

well...then get to it! There are plenty 10 second 6 speeds/autos (non t400)