hpf stage 4 or s/c e9x

Originally Posted by howie

pppppfffftttt...cmon man. Sky's the limit with a twin turbo inline 6 to start from. 2 larger turbos, 1 big turbo, chip, exhaust, intake, intercooler, etc!

That thing will run 10s with a few grand! Only thing is you will need to drop about $3000 alone for the posi/LSD rear end, but once you've done that = M3 KILLER, HPF or not



well...then get to it! There are plenty 10 second 6 speeds/autos (non t400)

What is the fastest 60-130 vbox time for a 335?

Originally Posted by M3PTGSC

What is the fastest 60-130 vbox time for a 335?

what's the best 0-35 jb3 time for a 335?

Originally Posted by howie

what's the best 0-35 jb3 time for a 335?

Whats wrong with asking for a 60-130 time?

Originally Posted by howie

what's the best 0-35 jb3 time for a 335?

huh?


I dont see any fast 335's(on these couple lists)

Fastest and confirmed 335 is 10sec 60-130 and Race-MX3 did 5.61 with HPF stage 2.5

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...mile-list.html

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=189369

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

Whats wrong with asking for a 60-130 time?

taza we need you to go out on race gas with new tires and show these people what Turbo E46 M3 can do

Originally Posted by M3PTGSC

taza we need you to go out on race gas with new tires and show these people what Turbo E46 M3 can do

Coming soon, dont worry.

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

Coming soon, dont worry.

Cant wait!!

Originally Posted by fredwlau

I have a CPE 335i, in what other regards could I re-work it?

Thanks!

we have a couple customers runing sub 11.5 1/4 mile times. with the N54 powerplant

60-130 times are for people who cant drive. Take it to the road course and do lap times or the drag strip. That requires skill.

Originally Posted by 119e46

60-130 times are for people who cant drive. Take it to the road course and do lap times or the drag strip. That requires skill.

I did not know you could do a 60-130 time without driving. Thanks for the heads up.

Originally Posted by 119e46

60-130 times are for people who cant drive. Take it to the road course and do lap times or the drag strip. That requires skill.

I'm saying, whoTF races 60-130? Big turbo cars only b/c they have no launch and they're tuned to run that specific zone the best.

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

Whats wrong with asking for a 60-130 time?

b/c that's such a general questions which addresses NOTHING AT ALL. You might as well just post dyno #s for that. That's like asking about the powerband once the VTEC hits on a Civic. What's the point!? How bout what does the car do from 0-150+, isn't that the whole point?! From point A to point B not 60-130, 80-140, 31-64, 12-76 etc

Originally Posted by howie

I'm saying, whoTF races 60-130? Big turbo cars only b/c they have no launch and they're tuned to run that specific zone the best.



b/c that's such a general questions which addresses NOTHING AT ALL. You might as well just post dyno #s for that. That's like asking about the powerband once the VTEC hits on a Civic. What's the point!? How bout what does the car do from 0-150+, isn't that the whole point?! From point A to point B not 60-130, 80-140, 31-64, 12-76 etc

Comparing 60-130 times has actually become a popular method of comparing cars performance. It is just like a 0-60 time which was the biggest performance comparison factor a couple years ago.

60-130 times are big now, so are mile runs. 1/4 mile runs have sort of taken a back seat lately to those. Maybe not to the 335's because they don't make big power, at least not yet. I can see why 60-130 times would suck to run when you cant break in single digits.

You posted "That thing will run 10s with a few grand! Only thing is you will need to drop about $3000 alone for the posi/LSD rear end, but once you've done that = M3 KILLER, HPF or not"

Just because we have seen no big power 335 that can run a fast 60-130 time doesn't mean you should discredit it. Fact is with the statement above you have ZERO proof and you should be prepared to answer some q's.

Originally Posted by howie

pppppfffftttt...cmon man. Sky's the limit with a twin turbo inline 6 to start from. 2 larger turbos, 1 big turbo, jb3 chip, exhaust, intake, intercooler, drag radials, a few more things!

That thing will run 10s with a few grand! Only thing is you will need to drop about $3000 alone for the posi/LSD rear end, but once you've done that = M3 KILLER, HPF or not

I need to go back to this... Please explain why a 335 with those mods would be an HPF M3 killer. I would love to hear this.

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

Comparing 60-130 times has actually become a popular method of comparing cars performance. It is just like a 0-60 time which was the biggest performance comparison factor a couple years ago.

60-130 times are big now, so are mile runs. 1/4 mile runs have sort of taken a back seat lately to those. Maybe not to the 335's because they don't make big power, at least not yet. I can see why 60-130 times would suck to run when you cant break in single digits.

You posted "That thing will run 10s with a few grand! Only thing is you will need to drop about $3000 alone for the posi/LSD rear end, but once you've done that = M3 KILLER, HPF or not"

Just because we have seen no big power 335 that can run a fast 60-130 time doesn't mean you should discredit it. Fact is with the statement above you have ZERO proof and you should be prepared to answer some q's.

Non-sense. Comparing 60-130 has become popular with who?!? Nobody I see racing! That's what big turbo cars (probly mostly BMWs on boost) use as comparison between each other. I haven't met anyone outside this forum or should I say outside of any Bimmer forum discussing those number b/c they really don't mean sh!t. 0-60, 1/4 mile, and trap speed is what u measure a car by. And if your car is really that fast the 60-130 is only a few seconds anyways so y waste time counting that?!? Get the Dynolicious app on your iPhone and u'll get all the info you want.

We know for a fact that a 335 non-LSD with simply JB3, intake, light spray and tires runs low 11s...so imagine what that same car with LSD, full exhaust, bigger intercooler, piping, tune, etc would run!? I don't think you HPF guys want to see that happen tho.

I'm not talking down on the HPFs at all, I'm just saying based on the 1/4 mile times thereof, and since he already has a 335, he can achieve HPF #s and possibly even better without having to switch cars and spend another $10k + to compete with current #s

Originally Posted by howie

Non-sense. Comparing 60-130 has become popular with who?!? Nobody I see racing! That's what big turbo cars (probly mostly BMWs on boost) use as comparison between each other. I haven't met anyone outside this forum or should I say outside of any Bimmer forum discussing those number b/c they really don't mean sh!t. 0-60, 1/4 mile, and trap speed is what u measure a car by. And if your car is really that fast the 60-130 is only a few seconds anyways so y waste time counting that?!? Get the Dynolicious app on your iPhone and u'll get all the info you want.

We know for a fact that a 335 non-LSD with simply JB3, intake, light spray and tires runs low 11s...so imagine what that same car with LSD, full exhaust, bigger intercooler, piping, tune, etc would run!? I don't think you HPF guys want to see that happen tho.

I'm not talking down on the HPFs at all, I'm just saying based on the 1/4 mile times thereof, and since he already has a 335, he can achieve HPF #s and possibly even better without having to switch cars and spend another $10k + to compete with current #s

well obviously you dont know many people lol check the 6speed online and their 60-130 list...all the porsches,ferraris,twin turbo lamborghinis,zo6's etc etc everybody is using it.

Do you know what it takes to go from low 11's to low 10's??Have you ever been drag racing?You making it sound soo easy also to make HPF numbers (1000hp+) he would need ALOT more than those 10k

Originally Posted by howie

Non-sense. Comparing 60-130 has become popular with who?!? Nobody I see racing! That's what big turbo cars (probly mostly BMWs on boost) use as comparison between each other. I haven't met anyone outside this forum or should I say outside of any Bimmer forum discussing those number b/c they really don't mean sh!t. 0-60, 1/4 mile, and trap speed is what u measure a car by. And if your car is really that fast the 60-130 is only a few seconds anyways so y waste time counting that?!? Get the Dynolicious app on your iPhone and u'll get all the info you want.

Wrong... BMW's, Porsches, Ford's, Nissan's, Vette's and many others have all been comparing 60-130 times lately.You really dont know what you are talking about do you? Do you visit other forums?

Why is 0-60 so valid in your opinion but 60-130 is not?

Not everyone wants to go to the track and risk breaking things for a 1/4 mile run.

Originally Posted by howie

We know for a fact that a 335 non-LSD with simply JB3, intake, light spray and tires runs low 11s...so imagine what that same car with LSD, full exhaust, bigger intercooler, piping, tune, etc would run!? I don't think you HPF guys want to see that happen tho.

So why do you think that is? Once they start making more power, traction will become the enemy just like the M3's. Do you think magically the 335's have more traction just because of their narrower bodies? What is so much better about the 335?

I'm not talking down on the HPFs at all, I'm just saying based on the 1/4 mile times thereof, and since he already has a 335, he can achieve HPF #s and possibly even better without having to switch cars and spend another $10k + to compete with current #s

Traction is the limiting factor for HPF cars and 1.4 mile times. No HPF car has ran a good 60 foot time, that is why there are no 10's yet.

Just because you have a 335 doesn't mean you should not make sense... The S54 motor is incredible, will make more power then the 335, psi vs psi easily.

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

Wrong... BMW's, Porsches, Ford's, Nissan's, Vette's and many others have all been comparing 60-130 times lately.You really dont know what you are talking about do you? Do you visit other forums?

Why is 0-60 so valid in your opinion but 60-130 is not?

Not everyone wants to go to the track and risk breaking things for a 1/4 mile run.

Traction is the limiting factor for HPF cars and 1.4 mile times. No HPF car has ran a good 60 foot time, that is why there are no 10's yet.

Just because you have a 335 doesn't mean you should not make sense... The S54 motor is incredible, will make more power then the 335, psi vs psi easily.

I don't visit all the forums anymore, but people I know locally, at the track and in the street don't compare that. Useless if you ask me...biggest turbo or proper tune wins a 60-130 run, where's the competition in that?!? I know people with blowers the size of spare tires and turbos on the 100+ side and have never referenced 60-130. Then again, people I know run from 0-* or not at all, and we all use the track #s cuz we're not on the street testing 60-130 #s and there's no 60 rolls at the track.

Whatever the "issue" is, you're not in the 10s and you're at $100 grand...op can spend less than $10k and be in the 10s in a car thats sitting in his driveway. That's all I'm saying, I'm not tryin to knock what u or any HPF guy is doing. HP, Motor Potential and PSI alone doesn't determine what's faster as we can all see.

oh and we don't do twisties or road courses either so that may be the difference too

Originally Posted by howie

I don't visit all the forums anymore, but people I know locally, at the track and in the street don't compare that. Useless if you ask me...biggest turbo or proper tune wins a 60-130 run, where's the competition in that?!? I know people with blowers the size of spare tires and turbos on the 100+ side and have never referenced 60-130. Then again, people I know run from 0-* or not at all, and we all use the track #s cuz we're not on the street testing 60-130 #s and there's no 60 rolls at the track.

Whatever the "issue" is, you're not in the 10s and you're at $100 grand...op can spend less than $10k and be in the 10s in a car thats sitting in his driveway. That's all I'm saying, I'm not tryin to knock what u or any HPF guy is doing. HP, Motor Potential and PSI alone doesn't determine what's faster as we can all see.

oh and we don't do twisties or road courses either so that may be the difference too

You state you dont see any other forums talking about 60-130 times and now you say you dont visit other forums. Ironic...

You make it sound like you are on the track all the time. What are your incredible times? Im hoping you can shut everyone up here with your 10 sec time since you are such an avid 1/4 mile tester.

So again im looking for a real reason on your statement about the 335 being an HPF M3 killer. What does the 335 have that the S54 cannot do?

I understand you have a 335 and you will argue that it is better then an M3 but bring me any 335 to run so I show you how my non 10 sec 1/4 m3 can do to it. We can do a 0-200 run? Or is that too much for the 335? Is the 335 the new live the life at a 1/4 mile at a time car?


BTW, we are driving street cars here not drag racing cars.

Someone isn't making sense in here

Fastest 60-130 time for ANY bimmer, traping 137mph, these don't mean anything?

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

I understand you have a 335 and you will argue that it is better then an M3 but bring me any 335 to run so I show you how my non 10 sec 1/4 m3 can do to it. We can do a 0-200 run? Or is that too much for the 335? Is the 335 the new live the life at a 1/4 mile at a time car?

BTW, we are driving street cars here not drag racing cars.

I'm also referring to street cars...far from BMWs but they are street cars, except they have the whole traction thing figured out I guess. I'm not trying to have a d!ck measuring contest with u just b/c I have a stock 335 and u have an $100k M3. Fact is the op can do better than an 11 second e46 HPF m3 for the money it costs to build it. There's obviously no 335 built yet to compete with your 1100 hp, but I bet there's one very close.

If you search the forums, I have long referred to the 335 as the next Supra even before it came out so I guess it is the next F&F car if that's how u want to put it. It's a great car to start with, easily and cost effectively modded into great #s. U won't need anywhere near 1100hp to run sub 11s I guarantee that. 0-200 may be a different story, but again your spinning it your way with the huge turbo w/ tune setup for top end performance.

At this pace we're just going to turn this into the age old "I beat you off the line, you beat me top end" debate so I'll leave it alone now. I'm sure the op has plenty to ponder, just go research both cars discussed and others if he's serious about building a fast car but doesn't want to spend $ like it's growing on trees.