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Old 07-19-2010, 05:13 PM   #61
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I'm also referring to street cars...far from BMWs but they are street cars, except they have the whole traction thing figured out I guess. I'm not trying to have a d!ck measuring contest with u just b/c I have a stock 335 and u have an $100k M3. Fact is the op can do better than an 11 second e46 HPF m3 for the money it costs to build it. There's obviously no 335 built yet to compete with your 1100 hp, but I bet there's one very close.
No there is not 1 close. I did not know all that matters in the BMW community are 1/4 mile times now. All because a few 335's are really trying hard at the 1/3 mile track doesn't mean they are better or faster. They are doing it right though, definitely trying their hardest. Putting nitrous, big tires etc...


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If you search the forums, I have long referred to the 335 as the next Supra even before it came out so I guess it is the next F&F car if that's how u want to put it. It's a great car to start with, easily and cost effectively modded into great #s. U won't need anywhere near 1100hp to run sub 11s I guarantee that. 0-200 may be a different story, but again your spinning it your way with the huge turbo w/ tune setup for top end performance.
Are you under a rock? Do you not follow what the S54 has done? And how similar it is to a 2JZ except that the S54 is a much better flowing motor.

Just for your reference, i ran a 11.9 1/4 mile time 5 years ago with my M3 at a very bad track. I was making alittle over 500whp and had a horrible 60 foot time.

Hmm and you're not spinning it your way?

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At this pace we're just going to turn this into the age old "I beat you off the line, you beat me top end" debate so I'll leave it alone now. I'm sure the op has plenty to ponder, just go research both cars discussed and others if he's serious about building a fast car but doesn't want to spend $ like it's growing on trees.
Actually it was nothing until the silly baseless comment you made about the 335 being an HPF M3 killer. Then you discredited everything except for 1/4 mile times for the 335. Honestly this sounds like the old excuse Audi's and Evo's use. Where they only race 0-100 because they dont make enough power. (And yes im aware some Evo's make big power)
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Sooo you were giving advice to somebody without having actual experience with it and without any proof that its possible or that its been done already??(1000hp or 10sec 335)

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I'm also referring to street cars...far from BMWs but they are street cars, except they have the whole traction thing figured out I guess. I'm not trying to have a d!ck measuring contest with u just b/c I have a stock 335 and u have an $100k M3. Fact is the op can do better than an 11 second e46 HPF m3 for the money it costs to build it. There's obviously no 335 built yet to compete with your 1100 hp, but I bet there's one very close.

If you search the forums, I have long referred to the 335 as the next Supra even before it came out so I guess it is the next F&F car if that's how u want to put it. It's a great car to start with, easily and cost effectively modded into great #s. U won't need anywhere near 1100hp to run sub 11s I guarantee that. 0-200 may be a different story, but again your spinning it your way with the huge turbo w/ tune setup for top end performance.

At this pace we're just going to turn this into the age old "I beat you off the line, you beat me top end" debate so I'll leave it alone now. I'm sure the op has plenty to ponder, just go research both cars discussed and others if he's serious about building a fast car but doesn't want to spend $ like it's growing on trees.
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Old 07-19-2010, 05:33 PM   #63
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Sooo you were giving advice to somebody without having actual experience with it and without any proof that its possible or that its been done already??(1000hp or 10sec 335)
11.4 at <500hp would lead you to believe that any 335 with anywhere near 1000hp will run well into the mid-low 10s...unless they suddenly lost traction at some point

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Old 07-19-2010, 05:43 PM   #64
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11.4 at <500hp would lead you to believe that any 335 with anywhere near 1000hp will run well into the mid-low 10s...unless they suddenly lost traction at some point
Im sorry to say this but you dont know what you are talking about. Does the 335 make magical HP that is different then other cars? Or does the chassis magically float on air just above the ground? You do realize power is what makes it hard to get traction down. As they up the power they will be faced with traction issues. This is what happened with the E46 M3, nobody has gotten the chance or had the will to go out there and give it all it has. This requires very big tires, a good track and good driver. Not once has the entire combination been exploited. It does look like the 335 crowd has some type of energy regarding getting times which is great. But it doesnt mean the 335 is an HPF M3 killer...
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Old 07-19-2010, 06:57 PM   #66
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I own a 335i and I would give it up for a HpF Stage 2.5 M3 in a heart beat. That S54 motor is solid. Sorry to say but 335i's can't compete with HpF M3's.... well, not currently. Maybe in the future when HpF release some upgrades for the N54 community but definitely NOT now

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Old 07-19-2010, 07:29 PM   #67
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I appreciate all the enthusiasm. I understand what howie is saying with regards to custom upgrading a 335i as opposed to existing upgrades on the market. In all honesty, if I could see a car that had been custom upgraded and tuned with numbers close to an hpf I would definitely look in to it, but HPF is well known and very established, which gives it the benefit. Their kits have been proven not only in performance but in reliability from what I've seen so far. I will definitely keep researching alternative routes.

Thanks for everything guys and any more input is welcomed.
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hpf stage 4 or s/c e9x which one would you pick and why
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hpf stage 4 or s/c e9x which one would you pick and why
Are you asking me?
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yeah that's what the thread was about right?
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Non-sense. Comparing 60-130 has become popular with who?!? Nobody I see racing! That's what big turbo cars (probly mostly BMWs on boost) use as comparison between each other. I haven't met anyone outside this forum or should I say outside of any Bimmer forum discussing those number b/c they really don't mean sh!t. 0-60, 1/4 mile, and trap speed is what u measure a car by. And if your car is really that fast the 60-130 is only a few seconds anyways so y waste time counting that?!? Get the Dynolicious app on your iPhone and u'll get all the info you want.

We know for a fact that a 335 non-LSD with simply JB3, intake, light spray and tires runs low 11s...so imagine what that same car with LSD, full exhaust, bigger intercooler, piping, tune, etc would run!? I don't think you HPF guys want to see that happen tho.

I'm not talking down on the HPFs at all, I'm just saying based on the 1/4 mile times thereof, and since he already has a 335, he can achieve HPF #s and possibly even better without having to switch cars and spend another $10k + to compete with current #s
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11.4 at <500hp would lead you to believe that any 335 with anywhere near 1000hp will run well into the mid-low 10s...unless they suddenly lost traction at some point
lisen to you. No offense. But 60-130 times are one of the biggest and easiest ways to compare cars these days. They dont require a 1/4 drag strip and track day to prove what your car can do. Also ALL my friends witch in our group out here a 1000hp car is common do 60-130 times to compare. hence the HUGE list on 6speedonline. You 335 guys always talk smack and pull the what IF and IF i had this i WOULD beat that. Btw arent you the guy that bought that "twin turbo" badge from pepboys and put it on your car? Sorry to come off mean i just dont like to see ppl coming in here thinking they know what their talking about then putting down some of my good friends on here. I welcome ANY 335 to come out with us and show me what its got. till then they are not at this level yet. No hard feelings.
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don't you know that HPF is developing a single turbo upgrade for the 335?.. stick with that and upgrade if more powa is what you seek IMO.. they are expecting 600whp on stock internals.. we'll see soon enough
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yeah that's what the thread was about right?
Yeah more or less, thus far i'm leaning towards an hpf stage 3 e46.
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i don't know much about HPF but have you thought about maintaining the vehicle, also the additional work your going to have to do to the car, BBK, Suspension, Rear Reinforcement.
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i don't know much about HPF but have you thought about maintaining the vehicle, also the additional work your going to have to do to the car, BBK, Suspension, Rear Reinforcement.
That is all going into consideration. I just think ultimately a s/c e9x will still be more expensive for less performance
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That is all going into consideration. I just think ultimately a s/c e9x will still be more expensive for less performance
That's true but think about the future of the e90 maybe one day it will be faster than any HPF E46.....
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I'm saying, whoTF races 60-130? Big turbo cars only b/c they have no launch and they're tuned to run that specific zone the best.



b/c that's such a general questions which addresses NOTHING AT ALL. You might as well just post dyno #s for that. That's like asking about the powerband once the VTEC hits on a Civic. What's the point!? How bout what does the car do from 0-150+, isn't that the whole point?! From point A to point B not 60-130, 80-140, 31-64, 12-76 etc
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That's true but think about the future of the e90 maybe one day it will be faster than any HPF E46.....
You never know... For now the 1/4 mile records are still held my an E30 and E36. The E46 has not even proved its 1/4 mile numbers yet. But they have shown big power. The E9x M3's are showing good power already as well. Most of these BMW motors can make the power no doubt about it. Honestly it comes down to who is motivated the most, does more research and work on getting times to show them off. Even 60-130 times are very hard to achieve correctly. The E36 and E30 have just recently (a year or so) broken into the 9's, this is only after a proper drag setup. I can see someone with an E46 doing this sometime soon.
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