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Old 11-18-2009, 07:50 AM   #21
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The phrase, "you get what you pay for", comes to mind.

As for the "hate" it only makes sense given some guys saved up for a long time to spend 2k on suspension parts, so it's only natural that they are going to hate on some product that MIGHT work just as well for a tenth the cost.

PS, I have my pss9 box in the garage. I'll check to see if it has that label. I don't remember seeing such.
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:02 AM   #22
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Dampering isn't a word.
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:42 AM   #23
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is two words dam and pering JK, I have my STs box also i'll look tonite
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Old 11-19-2009, 04:02 AM   #24
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wow. too hilarious.

these threads are just the same exact people saying the same stuff. why even post? lol. we all know each others thoughts on it.
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:41 PM   #25
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Words can be combined to create other units of language, such as phrases, clauses, and/or sentences.

Let's put it this way Dampering is a word without a meaning. I know is a ****ing object/device not a verb. I'm down for another comp II test teacher..

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wow. too hilarious.

these threads are just the same exact people saying the same stuff. why even post? lol. we all know each others thoughts on it.
Dude!! I'm on the lowest set up right now. I took a trip on one of the crappiest highways in jersey (Route 21) I was doing 65-75-80 mph. I had 2 front/2 rear pass with me and the trunk was full with some instruments. We all combined were about 700 pounds. I took bumps and some potholes, and nothing happened to the bottom/fender or frame of my car, no rubbing and no scrapping. I'm stretched out with smaller tires than recommended, but still the ride was perfect. If you tell me that race land can do that, then I'll give you props. Meanwhile let us post our judgment base on price, since we got ****ed somehow. I will meet with some others e46 fanatics to test different coils and see the truth behind it specially raceland. I hope they really work.

I'm not bashing/just a technical comment.

This is my rear right now on 17's. Tell me if you see any damage or rubbing sign?

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Old 11-19-2009, 11:23 PM   #26
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Words can be combined to create other units of language, such as phrases, clauses, and/or sentences.

Let's put it this way Dampering is a word without a meaning. I know is a ****ing object/device not a verb. I'm down for another comp II test teacher..



Dude!! I'm on the lowest set up right now. I took a trip on one of the crappiest highways in jersey (Route 21) I was doing 65-75-80 mph. I had 2 front/2 rear pass with me and the trunk was full with some instruments. We all combined were about 700 pounds. I took bumps and some potholes, and nothing happened to the bottom/fender or frame of my car, no rubbing and no scrapping. I'm stretched out with smaller tires than recommended, but still the ride was perfect. If you tell me that race land can do that, then I'll give you props. Meanwhile let us post our judgment base on price, since we got ****ed somehow. I will meet with some others e46 fanatics to test different coils and see the truth behind it specially raceland. I hope they really work.

I'm not bashing/just a technical comment.

This is my rear right now on 17's. Tell me if you see any damage or rubbing sign?
Your suspension didn't keep you from rubbing, that was all in your alignment/offset and widths/tire size/spring rate. I read a post where somebody said raceland got relatively stiff once they start to get real low. I'm sure if you put them on your dope a$$ ride and matched the wheel center-to-fender lip measurements you currently have, wouldn't rub w/ them either.

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Someone mentioned not to use chinese parts on German engineered cars, right?
Interesting, think about it, are all the parts on our cars made in Germany?
There's definitely nothing wrong about racelands, again you get what you pay for, and thats what MOST people want, >> just a drop(and if they can do it for 250 as compared to 1800 bucks, why not)
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Someone mentioned not to use chinese parts on German engineered cars, right?
Interesting, think about it, are all the parts on our cars made in Germany?
There's definitely nothing wrong about racelands, again you get what you pay for, and thats what MOST people want, >> just a drop(and if they can do it for 250 as compared to 1800 bucks, why not)
Thats the only reason why I even bought them...I could care less about the ride stiffness or anything of that sort
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I know GC stands behind their product for street use. So far, no one has had a really bad experience with Racelands. That doesn't mean they are safe, but that also doesn't mean they will eventually fail. It is what it is. The only thing about them that truly bothers me is their price. I also agree with Shady3one3 on what she said about the cost/profit ratio of that company. I don't see them being able to do the proper R&D and provide the necessary support to make them a good company and only charge $300 for their product.

That kind of price makes me go...


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well i can say ive ran raceland coils on multiple other cars and have had no adverse effects. In fact, I have tracked a couple sets of these on mk3 vw's with no major issues and they felt great granted they arent as adjustable as others (i <3 weitec coils on vw's). I recently bought a set for my e46 and again no adverse issues for 7k miles.
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ps: pricetags do not always reflect the quality of a product.. if these coils were that bad they would have never received an fcc id number to massively sell off these setups.. it gets expensive to get a product sale-worthy and able to pass fcc testing.
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This is the biggest thread I have ever seen for "not for street use" LOL.

It's simply for liability issues. The KW and Bilstein does not need this tag because they are TUV certified, which is a German certification so that they can drive those cars on the street. They would obviously need to spend money on this considering they are a german manufacturer. Any aftermarket modification needs to be accepted through TUV, because being caught without it, apparently will be a huge no no.
It's not that hard to get it certified, it just costs a lot of money.

The main reason why they put on the tag that says not for street use is because it is the easiest way to sell around the world without any kind of certification. There are many times when a product is bought and end user would try to return it because it is illegal in their country. A good example would be exhaust, there are many catback exhausts but most of them will say not for street use, but its not because its not good enough for the street, but many times it is illegal, and they dont want to have to cater to all the different rules in different areas.

Now that being said, I would rather save my money and drive on blown shocks.

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somehow I doubt that oem springs + shocks actually cost bmw more than $250 per car. But that's just my take on it
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^ I dont understand.
material wise probably not, and BMW buys it in huge bulk so their cost prob isnt that much, but if your trying to prove a point with that comment (don't know what point you're trying to make).... that's retarded.
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^ I dont understand.
material wise probably not, and BMW buys it in huge bulk so their cost prob isnt that much, but if your trying to prove a point with that comment (don't know what point you're trying to make).... that's retarded.
o common. How many people do you think are making money off the FK coilover or the oem setup?

The company manufacturing the springs
The company reselling the springs
The company manufacturing the shocks
The company reselling the shocks
The company manufacturing the body
The company that designed the setup (they are also probably the ones putting it all together)
The company exporting them, shipping them
The reseller


Now you grab a coil over design that is known to fit (FK for example), buy a plane ticket to China, spend two weeks there reverse engineering the thing at some factory, and make a 2000 unit batch. Sell direct on Ebay.

You just cut most of your cost and you got a cheap coil-over setup that will work just fine.

Its not like FK coilovers come with Koni shocks and Swift springs... They come with cheap shocks, cheap springs, and are made with cost in mind. Doesn't sound very different from the Chinese stuff to me.
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I dont understand.
so are you arguing for or against chinese coils.
Or are you just giving us info. I will retract my comment if you are just giving us info. I was under the impression that you were trying to defend the the chinese products by saying chinese products are comparable with OEM BMW products, because of the material costs.
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