How to Finally Get Performance Out of Your KW Coilovers - Page 3

HP Autowerks · 10-26-2010, 12:09 AM

No questions?

GreenD · 11-07-2010, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

No questions?

can you explain a little more about what needs to be machined? Maybe provide pics?

HP Autowerks · 11-08-2010, 06:05 AM

The bottom seat that the front spring sits on needs 1MM shaved off the circumference. KW's seats are 61MM, and the springs we use are 60MM. I'll see if I can dig up a pic.

j30a1 · 11-12-2010, 06:42 PM

They can fit on there without machining. It fits.

HP Autowerks · 11-14-2010, 04:43 AM

Did you use 60MM or 65MM springs? Can the spring move freely on the seat? What springs did you use?

j30a1 · 11-16-2010, 03:04 PM

Swift 60. Its a little snug but it fits.

Mr Paddle.Shift · 11-16-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

THE ONLY KW SYSTEM that is NOT progressive are the CLUBSPORTS.

Is this Harold btw? We've met at Cal Speedway a while back. We talked about Scott's 135i etc.

I actually have KW CS and I can affirm that it actually does come with progressive springs for the rears (KW2003) . Least for the E46 non-M kit I have.

I documented some of the findings here.

But in regards to the theme of this thread, yes, linear springs are so much better. I switched to Hyperco all corners. At some pt I may need to Swift them out.

HP Autowerks · 11-16-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by j30a1

Swift 60. Its a little snug but it fits.

See, that's the problem. They need to be able to rotate freely or your spring rate will spike. That is why we use Swift thrust bearing with all our coilovers and spring conversions.

HP Autowerks · 11-16-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Paddle.Shift

Is this Harold btw? We've met at Cal Speedway a while back. We talked about Scott's 135i etc.

I actually have KW CS and I can affirm that it actually does come with progressive springs for the rears (KW2003) . Least for the E46 non-M kit I have.

I documented some of the findings here.

But in regards to the theme of this thread, yes, linear springs are so much better. I switched to Hyperco all corners. At some pt I may need to Swift them out.

This is Tyler actually.

Thanks for the info on the KW's. I wasn't aware that they were still running progressive springs on their top of the line coilover offering. Hmm. That link had some good info in it.

The linear springs make such a difference as you've felt/seen. Let me know if you ever want to make the jump from Hyperco to Swift. There are performance gains to be had from the testing we have seen from indpendent research.

HP Autowerks · 11-21-2010, 07:29 PM

Bueller?

GreenD · 11-22-2010, 04:00 PM

Placed an order with Harold this morning.

beepers90 · 11-30-2010, 12:01 PM

anyone know if Swift, Hyperco, or TCK springs will work with the turner tracksports? I think they are very similar if not revalved H&R rss clubsports.

j30a1 · 12-10-2010, 01:55 PM

That you should talk to Harold about. Looking at the pictures I doubt it though because it looks like the spring beehives. I think those manufacturer only has linear straight springs.

ideal_vx6 · 02-23-2011, 04:31 AM

Bump.

TalkingToilet · 02-25-2011, 12:44 PM

wow, some great info here. I was one of those that believed KW was a top tier system out of the box

MarcusLSB · 02-27-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TalkingToilet

wow, some great info here. I was one of those that believed KW was a top tier system out of the box

I was apparently duped as well. Everyone told me go KW V2 when I first joined the forum, and even locals all told me KW V2.

I'm aware they're not the BEST setup, but the OP makes it sounds as if I bought rebranded racelands.

I'm not going to go get Moton's or Ohlins for my 95% street 5% track car.

z_man93 · 02-28-2011, 11:22 AM

I bought my e46 328ci a few years ago and it came with KWs. I'm not sure what version. The shocks are purple non-adjustable... if that helps. In the past year I've been getting into AutoX and HPDE, so I'm focusing more on performance. I have absolutely no problem spending $400, or even more, for new spring, rather than having to shell-out the $3k for AST4200s. My question is regarding the performance of the shocks in my KW system. Lets say I upgraded to Swift, or other top-brand, springs. Maybe I went as far as to have my current shocks revalved for the new spring rate. Would I have a competitive system or would the KW shocks still be holding me back?

z_man93 · 03-04-2011, 11:59 AM

Bump

Wow. Apparently I just killed this great thread. Sorry 'bout that. Any thoughts on the "Shock" aspect of the KW Coil-Over system?

Devious1 · 12-06-2011, 06:16 PM

can anyone confirm the direct replacement size needed for a non-m kw v2 coilover set?

from what i've gathered...

front:
h- 170mm
id- 61mm
rate- 340lbs

rear:
h- 180mm
id- top 89m/bottom 69mm
rate- progressive

can anyone confirm this?

Rob43 · 12-06-2011, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devious1

can anyone confirm the direct replacement size needed for a non-m kw v2 coilover set?

from what i've gathered...

front:
h- 170mm
id- 61mm
rate- 340lbs

rear:
h- 180mm
id- top 89m/bottom 69mm
rate- progressive

can anyone confirm this?

Call Harold at HP, I'm quite sure he can confirm it / or not. When You figure it out, post your findings.

Good luck.

PS. Harold at HP is great to work with, I bought a Quaife LSD for him; it was a very good experience.

11-30-2010, 12:01 PM	#52
beepers90 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: WCU/Davidson NC Posts: 210 My Ride: 04 325,MBkomp,vw,xj View My Garage	anyone know if Swift, Hyperco, or TCK springs will work with the turner tracksports? I think they are very similar if not revalved H&R rss clubsports. __________________ Langsam 04 325i MS45.1 Shark, 2 CG locks, Turner Tracksport Plus, 3.46, hawk,slotted,Treehouse,blk m68, BMW p. ssk,dynavin,escort x50, fupersprint heddurs, RE clutch stop, angel I's, eurowise sticker.

02-28-2011, 11:22 AM	#57
z_man93 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 27 My Ride: 328ci View My Garage	I bought my e46 328ci a few years ago and it came with KWs. I'm not sure what version. The shocks are purple non-adjustable... if that helps. In the past year I've been getting into AutoX and HPDE, so I'm focusing more on performance. I have absolutely no problem spending $400, or even more, for new spring, rather than having to shell-out the $3k for AST4200s. My question is regarding the performance of the shocks in my KW system. Lets say I upgraded to Swift, or other top-brand, springs. Maybe I went as far as to have my current shocks revalved for the new spring rate. Would I have a competitive system or would the KW shocks still be holding me back? __________________ Anthony Colin Bruce Chapman: Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere.

03-04-2011, 11:59 AM	#58
z_man93 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 27 My Ride: 328ci View My Garage	Bump Wow. Apparently I just killed this great thread. Sorry 'bout that. Any thoughts on the "Shock" aspect of the KW Coil-Over system? __________________ Anthony Colin Bruce Chapman: Adding power makes you faster on the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere.

12-06-2011, 06:16 PM	#59
Devious1 Invalid User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cerritos, CA Posts: 10,801 My Ride: 330ci View My Garage	can anyone confirm the direct replacement size needed for a non-m kw v2 coilover set? from what i've gathered... front: h- 170mm id- 61mm rate- 340lbs rear: h- 180mm id- top 89m/bottom 69mm rate- progressive can anyone confirm this? __________________

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10-26-2010, 12:09 AM	#41
HP Autowerks Past Site Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 314 My Ride: E36 M3 View My Garage	No questions?

11-08-2010, 06:05 AM	#43
HP Autowerks Past Site Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 314 My Ride: E36 M3 View My Garage	The bottom seat that the front spring sits on needs 1MM shaved off the circumference. KW's seats are 61MM, and the springs we use are 60MM. I'll see if I can dig up a pic.

11-12-2010, 06:42 PM	#44
j30a1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 714 Posts: 32 My Ride: E$^M# View My Garage	They can fit on there without machining. It fits.

11-14-2010, 04:43 AM	#45
HP Autowerks Past Site Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 314 My Ride: E36 M3 View My Garage	Did you use 60MM or 65MM springs? Can the spring move freely on the seat? What springs did you use?

11-16-2010, 03:04 PM	#46
j30a1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 714 Posts: 32 My Ride: E$^M# View My Garage	Swift 60. Its a little snug but it fits.

11-21-2010, 07:29 PM	#50
HP Autowerks Past Site Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Santa Barbara Posts: 314 My Ride: E36 M3 View My Garage	Bueller?

11-22-2010, 04:00 PM	#51
GreenD Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 16 My Ride: Bucket View My Garage	Placed an order with Harold this morning.

12-10-2010, 01:55 PM	#53
j30a1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 714 Posts: 32 My Ride: E$^M# View My Garage	That you should talk to Harold about. Looking at the pictures I doubt it though because it looks like the spring beehives. I think those manufacturer only has linear straight springs.

02-23-2011, 04:31 AM	#54
ideal_vx6 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 186 My Ride: 2.8L View My Garage	Bump.

02-25-2011, 12:44 PM	#55
TalkingToilet Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: United States Posts: 21 My Ride: estoril e46 View My Garage	wow, some great info here. I was one of those that believed KW was a top tier system out of the box