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Old 12-18-2010, 11:48 AM   #1001
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Agreed, it's comparing apples to oranges really, I don't understand why someone would buy something like this without knowing what to expect and then whinging about it after they buy it.
Do your research first and if you don't like what you see then don't buy it.
First, Thanks to you and anyone else on this forum that has helped so much. So I mean no dis-respect to anyone, and I do value your opinions.

That said, I've installed factory OEM units purchased through ebay (brand new), typically for $500. The OEM units don't actually cost $2000-$3000, that's how much the stealerships can get away with charging.

I think Dynavin is great company, especially how they respond to customer feedback. But that's the point, if they don't get feedback they won't improve, so that's all I was doing. They're probably programmers and engineers, I doubt they have any design specialists (obviously). If they could hire one person to concentrate on design, usability, and intuitiveness, it would make a world of difference, and make their product 100 times better.

These days this kind of thinking is required, I guarantee if there was competition for this kind of product, it would be done better. But since they're the only one, they probably won't do this.

Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just wanted to throw my $0.02 in.

And I did do my research, there were no better options (doesn't make this product the best), and these gripes were not clearly stated. I hope that whoever does their research in the future will read my post, and it will help set their expectations.

Again, no dis-respect, I just dis-agree.
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Anybody using the apple audio/video cable with their iPhone or iPod and the dynavin?

I have the cable that you can get from jeff and it works fine. At first I thought I was having problems with it so I bought the apple cable. I can't get the apple cable to charge my phone. It does if I hook it up to my computer but it doesn't with the dynavin. The DVD USB just recognizes the USB and switches to that source. The nav USB does the same but I get the pop up that charging is not supported by this device.

I don't recall the exact model number for the cable I have but Brutal said his apple cable charges fine with the dynavin.

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"Unrealistic Expectations are Premeditated Resentments".....I heard this quote the other day and thought ! How many places in your life is this applicable!

The following is not aimed at anyone in particular (you recent guys who have posted, I promise this is not aimed at you, well mostly not aimed at you) but is just my thoughts, in aggregate, on expectations and the product I have found myself tied to....no offense is intended....

I hear all of the good and the bad about the dynavin from everybody so I should take this opportunity to address that and remind everybody that I pointed out almost all of the dynavins shortcomings 9 months ago when I started the Dynavin Info thread as a Dynavin customer. Then I updated it with the V5 thread, and then of course a few more shortcomings came out of the woodwork as different people with different priorities found things that didnt work the way they wanted them to. Maybe Im just patting myself on the back but I dont know if I have ever seen as comprehensive a write up on a product as the one at the top of this thread but yet I still get email every day from customers who are pointing out faults that I wrote about 9 months ago and are in writing in the first post of this thread...as if it is something new....

As mentioned in an earlier post, Apple and Android devices have shifted our expectations to a different level, but I frankly don't think its realistic to compare a product like the dynavin to an iphone or to expect that level of interactivity or refinement out of it. Apple rewrote the rulebook a few years ago with the iphone and companies with BILLION dollar budgets have just in the last 12 months finally caught up with the latest generation of android smartphones. These devices are spectacular and have really changed the way we live and the way we interact with technology, but they are on the bleeding edge of tech and have MASSIVE budgets behind them.

And honestly I think we take them for granted....

The dynavin is a car stereo. Comparing it to the stock head unit or OEM nav is fair, comparing it to aftermarket solutions from the likes of Pioneer, Kenwood, Alpine etc... is fair (although those companies are also operating on budgets hundreds of times larger than Dynavin, but they are competing in the same market so the comparison is fair). Comparing it to your iPad or Droid X is not. Lets compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges because if we dont "Unrealistic Expectations are Premeditated Resentments"

I gave the original Dynavin a 6/10 rating and the V5 a 7/10. Its in writing, when I became a dealer I didnt go back and change it. It is what it is. I think that is pretty realistic and honest assessment.....

Im a marketing guy by education and profession, but im also a small business owner and a dedicated husband and father, im not some slick marketing executive....happy customers are what Im after, so honesty and realistic expectations are at the core of that...And I feel I have gone out of my way to manage expectations as much as humanly possible. But I can only provide the information.....it is up to the buyer to read it...

anyway I find this kind of stuff fascinating....buyer behavior and the psychology behind it....so I could go on and on about it but I might end up just talking to myself
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you are exactly right, feedback is important. No problem there.

I have had some pretty in depth discussions with dynavin about some of the issues that you bring up, the interface is built within pretty rigid hardware limitations, Thats where the weak points come from, its not like designing for an iphone where there is a SDK and software in a "black box". The dynavin is actually about 6 different devices all integrated together, kind of like a windows computer with different cards and components from different manufacturers, all with their own software, menus, drivers, and hardware. Dynavin attempts to bring them together into one device and control them with one interface....sometimes with mixed results...

I know for a fact that they would like to do the things you bring up, but with the hardware they have they can only do so much, And honestly for the price, they have done A LOT. Sure they could use different hardware, but it all comes at a price. The product we have is the result of the calculation they have made, at the price that it is.
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I agree with what everyone said. Overall though it is still better than a bmw business cd. hopefully with firmware updates it will only improve.

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Main menu 7/10 Decent, but could be more creative, more colors, options,etc
Reverse Camera 8.5/10 Great quality picture on the dynavin, comes on perfectly when reverse activated. Led light on camera sux tho
USB music 5/10 Lame interface. I did not have any problem with load times, but I only tested with a few songs.
Bluetooth 9/10 Sound Quality is amazing.
Bluetooth interface 2/10 interface is horrible! and no bluetooth at the same time with navi displayed on screen
AV cable iphone connected.6/10 Does what its supposed to. My phone is not jailbroken. I plan on removing my iphone av cable to replace with a sirius dock.
Ipod 6/10 I find the controls slow sometimes and lame interface.
navi 8/10 Works good. Takes my car about 60 seconds to pick up a signal. Holds signal perfectly. GPS display. Looks good however my portable garmin is way easy to enter addresses. You do not have to put in a zip code on my garmin compared to igoprimo.
CD - Never tested
Overall sound quality 8/10 Does everything I need.

Overall unit appearance (hardware) 9/10
Overall unit software 7/10 with huge potential!
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I forgot to mention .....

DVD 9/10 Good quality.
Radio sound 9/10
Radio interface 6/10
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Anybody using the apple audio/video cable with their iPhone or iPod and the dynavin?

I have the cable that you can get from jeff and it works fine. At first I thought I was having problems with it so I bought the apple cable. I can't get the apple cable to charge my phone. It does if I hook it up to my computer but it doesn't with the dynavin. The DVD USB just recognizes the USB and switches to that source. The nav USB does the same but I get the pop up that charging is not supported by this device.

I don't recall the exact model number for the cable I have but Brutal said his apple cable charges fine with the dynavin.

Does anyone have info if theirs works?


My apple av cable does NOT charge my iphone4
iPod cable will charge my iphone4 and iPod but only when iPod is selected.

Gps USB will charge my iPhone in my glovebox and is still able to hold a good cell signal and Bluetooth to the dynavin perfectly all at the same time.
iPhone will charge regardless of dynavin mode.

DVD USB for music/updates will not charge my iphone4.(in mini console near coin holder)

I originally thought it would be better like this but I am planning on reversing the 2 cables so I dont have to put my phone in the glove box to charge.

I'm probly gonna reverse the 2 usb connections so I dont have to put my Iphone in the glovebox to charge, and then have a permenant usb in the glovebox for music. And then my aux connection is going to a sirius dock.
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ok. I have an iphone 3GS.

so the ipod cable you are talking about is the charge/itunes cable for in-home/computer use is what you are talking about that will charge the iphone4 in the car? Your apple AV cable will not charge in any situation, right?

I am going to just use the cable I received from Jeff, but if I sell the apple cable, I want to make sure I advertise it properly.
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correct. I have one of those common usb iphone/ipod cables that comes with every iphone/ipod connected to my GPS USB that should charge any model iphone.

Av will not charge iphone no matter what.

ipod cable that comes with dynavin only charges iphone/ipod on ipod mode
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you are exactly right, feedback is important. No problem there.

...
I know for a fact that they would like to do the things you bring up, but with the hardware they have they can only do so much, And honestly for the price, they have done A LOT. Sure they could use different hardware, but it all comes at a price. The product we have is the result of the calculation they have made, at the price that it is.
Thank you Jeff, again you are great, and bring more value to this product, Dynavin should put you on their payroll.

I'm not comparing the Dynavin to apple or android, I was just saying that UI is a major aspect that seems to get a back seat with most after market products. But thanks for explaining that Dynavin is actively trying to address these issues.

And once more, I have the utmost respect for Jeff and everyone on this forum that genuinely tries to help.

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Looks good however my portable garmin is way easy to enter addresses. You do not have to put in a zip code on my garmin compared to igoprimo.
You might try entering an address again. Ive been on the road for a week using Primo and a zip code is not required, just an available shorter way to enter the state and city.
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You might try entering an address again. Ive been on the road for a week using Primo and a zip code is not required, just an available shorter way to enter the state and city.
Every time I try to enter a address without a zip code, listings still pop up but not what I'm looking for. I will keep experimenting


So I know it is possible to put tom-tom on dynavin, what about garmin? I also have a gamin nuvi in another vehicle which is way better gps experience
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So my reverse camera works fine when I'm parked in the garage, but is washed out when I'm outside, mostly a white screen, unusable. Looks like either the contrast or brightness is too high. I couldn't change those settings on the camera screen, so I'm wondering how I could fix that? Maybe I hooked up something wrong?

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correct. I have one of those common usb iphone/ipod cables that comes with every iphone/ipod connected to my GPS USB that should charge any model iphone.

Av will not charge iphone no matter what.

ipod cable that comes with dynavin only charges iphone/ipod on ipod mode
Thanks. The av cable from jeff does charge whenever you plug it in. No specific source needed. I will be sticking with that and either sell the apple cable or see if I can use it with my new tv and blueray surround system
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I apologise if this is well known but I have searched.

When you have both a video folder and a music folder on the same USB stick you can't easily move between the two...I'm sure I saw something about a workaround for this a week or so ago but can't find it now. It seems easier with the remote as it has the 'exit' key....

Also if listening to USB music files then changing to any other function I can't go back to the USB, the system comes up with 'No support file'. I have to remove and replace the USB stick to reinitialise it which is annoying...not sure if that one has been mentioned but searched for the 'no support file' string and couldn't find anything.

I don't have an iPod...I must be the only person the planet it seems and would like to use USB for a long trip we have coming after Xmas.
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Got my unit in today. Love it. My only gripe is that you can't change tracks in usb mode from the steering wheel while on the navi screen. I understand why it's like that, but if they fixed it in a future update the unit would be perfect (to me). Still worth every penny, though.

And for anyone thinking about installing a usb plug in the small tray behind the cupholders: put it as far forward in the tray as possible. I put it at the back and one of my sticks is too tall and hits the armrest. If I had put it forward it would have cleared.
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Every time I try to enter a address without a zip code, listings still pop up but not what I'm looking for. I will keep experimenting


So I know it is possible to put tom-tom on dynavin, what about garmin? I also have a gamin nuvi in another vehicle which is way better gps experience
yeah, you can put garmin on it. Pretty much any nav program out there that you can download you can put on the card. some sites I went to had igo, tom tom, garmin and some others.

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I apologise if this is well known but I have searched.

When you have both a video folder and a music folder on the same USB stick you can't easily move between the two...I'm sure I saw something about a workaround for this a week or so ago but can't find it now. It seems easier with the remote as it has the 'exit' key....

Also if listening to USB music files then changing to any other function I can't go back to the USB, the system comes up with 'No support file'. I have to remove and replace the USB stick to reinitialise it which is annoying...not sure if that one has been mentioned but searched for the 'no support file' string and couldn't find anything.

I don't have an iPod...I must be the only person the planet it seems and would like to use USB for a long trip we have coming after Xmas.
Jeff uses the USB a lot to play music. so he should know for sure tomorrow or monday.
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Gps USB will charge my iPhone in my glovebox and is still able to hold a good cell signal and Bluetooth to the dynavin perfectly all at the same time.
iPhone will charge regardless of dynavin mode.
Good to know. My palm Pre has a USB cable, I'll check to see if it'll charge as well.

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