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View Poll Results: Should companies allow concealed carry in their buildings?
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Old 06-15-2011, 09:26 AM   #1
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Should companies allow concealed carry in their buildings?

With a valid CCW permit, of course. What are your thoughts? Yes... I'm aware some companies do, but a vast majority do not. I see valid arguments for both sides, but I want YOUR opinions.
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Old 06-15-2011, 09:58 AM   #2
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I think they should, but they should not be forced by law to do so. Don't want my business, tell me I can't come in carrying in a state that has sign laws giving them legal weight. I've paid more to shop/eat at places that were openly gun friendly to show my support for them (and found some nice eats that way too...).

Other types of business, depends on the working situation, office building etc, sure. Factory etc where the working environment could make it potentially dangerous, evaluate conditions to determine if it could be done safely and make rules on how to remain safe if necessary, otherwise sure.

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Old 06-15-2011, 10:01 AM   #3
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I assumed we were talking about your place of work; I carry mine wherever I want to in PA accept around courthouses and schools.
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Old 06-15-2011, 10:03 AM   #4
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They should, but not all of them want you to. In my state they can put up a sign indicating no CCW allowed, but it doesn't carry any legal weight. All they can ask you to do (if spotted) is ask you to leave. If you leave, you are fine - if you stay, you can be charged with trespassing and your CCW permit revoked. Anyone with a brain would leave or better yet, not be seen in the first place.

I tend not to patronize these businesses, but sometimes it is unavoidable.
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Old 06-15-2011, 10:13 AM   #5
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My place of work has "No firearms allowed on company grounds" in the rules. Personally, I'm against this statement. We have an office, a warehouse, and a fabrication shop. We also have employees in the construction field as well. The ones in the field, I can understand. However, I believe all of us on the main block should be entitled to carry. Many field employees who get terminated have to come to the office for their final paychecks. Many more than one has gotten irate at the fact they lost their jobs, one of which threw a hard hat at an office manager. I often wonder when it's going to be the day one of them comes in wanting to seriously hurt someone.

I carry just about everywhere I go, though. It did get spotted one time when my jacket came over my waist while I was reaching for something on a top shelf at Walmart. A guy stocking the shelves asked to see my CCW permit. Once it was established I could legally carry, we got into a debate over this gun or that gun.
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My place of work has "No firearms allowed on company grounds" in the rules. Personally, I'm against this statement. We have an office, a warehouse, and a fabrication shop. We also have employees in the construction field as well. The ones in the field, I can understand. However, I believe all of us on the main block should be entitled to carry. Many field employees who get terminated have to come to the office for their final paychecks. Many more than one has gotten irate at the fact they lost their jobs, one of which threw a hard hat at an office manager. I often wonder when it's going to be the day one of them comes in wanting to seriously hurt someone.

I carry just about everywhere I go, though. It did get spotted one time when my jacket came over my waist while I was reaching for something on a top shelf at Walmart. A guy stocking the shelves asked to see my CCW permit. Once it was established I could legally carry, we got into a debate over this gun or that gun.
The only time someone is going to see my GWL (in Georgia it's a weapons license, not a concealed carry permit) is if an officer has reasonable suspicion to warrant needing to see it or I am in a state where they have the legal authority to ask to see it (no such authority or requirement to produce it is in the Georgia laws). Being armed is not RAS or PC for a stop, identify, and I have no legal obligation to show it to them even if they ask as officers of the law, much less some random stock-boy at Wal-Mart. Did you ask the guy if he can legally speak to you?
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I think that companies should allow you to carry, but at the same time, I'm against mandating that they do. I'm a very big supporter of free-market capitalism, and as such, I think it's the right of the company to establish their own policies. We see how much "Equal Opportunity" mandates restrict and damage companies and schools, I would hate to see something like that happen to private businesses. The next step would then be mandating that a company must hire "XX" number of gun owners, which would be a step in the wrong direction in terms of liberty.
Now, I do believe that there are some areas where it's probably a good idea to have no guns, but it should be up to the companies. In the case of businesses or organizations that are state or federally regulated, such as MnDOT (MN Dept of Transportation) or say, a city worker or a worker in a county hospital/clinic, I think that they should be mandated to allow legal carry if the state allows it. I think that any governmental organization banning firearms on duty is a government infringement on the 2nd Amendment. They're not private- they can't restrict free gun ownership and possession (within state carry laws, mind you). In MN, it's illegal to carry into a hospital or daycare center if you're not .LE or .GOV. In that case then, obviously the hospital/clinic would be out.
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Yes.
Companies should allow it.

HOWEVER, it really depends on the business environment also.. Obviously, if you're a doctor, gym instructor, child care admin... I'm not sure you really need to be packing heat even if you have a valid CCW permit. My personal belief.
I don't hate guns. (I am a gun owner.)

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If someone throws a tantrum or hard hat at your place of business, I don't believe the proper response is to pull out a gun.
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I think that companies should allow you to carry, but at the same time, I'm against mandating that they do. .
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Private business should be allowed to make up their own policies. Permit/License shouldn't matter unless it is required by state law.
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My place of work has "No firearms allowed on company grounds" in the rules. Personally, I'm against this statement. We have an office, a warehouse, and a fabrication shop. We also have employees in the construction field as well. The ones in the field, I can understand. However, I believe all of us on the main block should be entitled to carry. Many field employees who get terminated have to come to the office for their final paychecks. Many more than one has gotten irate at the fact they lost their jobs, one of which threw a hard hat at an office manager. I often wonder when it's going to be the day one of them comes in wanting to seriously hurt someone.
Carrying at your work is your choice. If it only goes against company policy, you are not breaking any law, but you run the risk of getting fired. Some of us take that risk. Losing your job is better than dying.


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I carry just about everywhere I go, though. It did get spotted one time when my jacket came over my waist while I was reaching for something on a top shelf at Walmart. A guy stocking the shelves asked to see my CCW permit. Once it was established I could legally carry, we got into a debate over this gun or that gun.
Walmart COMPANY policy to to follow STATE law. Even so, a stock boy has ZERO business to ask you anything like that. I'd tell him to go fvck himself and report him to his manager. If his manager had the same attitude, I'd go to corporate so they can re-train him.
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California should legally allow people to carry guns if they want

But seriously, yes, I think that companies should allow CCW holders to carry but there should not be a law that requires them to do so.
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I should have elaborated. He didn't ask to see it in a demanding tone, but he did ask, "Do you have a permit for that thing, man?!" I laughed and said I did. "Can I see it? I don't have one." I'm not one to jump on someone's case. I'm a pretty friendly guy... people generally like me when it comes to conversation and interaction. Now, if he had asked, "I need to see it or else you need to leave," then we would have had an issue.

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If someone throws a tantrum or hard hat at your place of business, I don't believe the proper response is to pull out a gun.
I could care less if they throw a hard hat. It's when someone completely loses their sh!t and brings in a bat and starts assaulting someone is when the gun should be pulled out.
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HOWEVER, it really depends on the business environment also.. Obviously, if you're a doctor, gym instructor, child care admin...
I'm not sure you really need to be packing heat even if you have a valid CCW permit. My personal belief.
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Johns Hopkins Hospital: Gunman Shoots Doctor, Then Kills Self and Mother
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Bad stories there... Always a shame people lose their lives over stupid things (in this case, the gunmen and the one gunman's mother).
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I carry just about everywhere I go, though. It did get spotted one time when my jacket came over my waist while I was reaching for something on a top shelf at Walmart. A guy stocking the shelves asked to see my CCW permit. Once it was established I could legally carry, we got into a debate over this gun or that gun.
To hell if a walmart stockboy is ever going to check my permit, should have told him to screw off.

The last place I worked before I started my own business a few years back had a no gun policy that they did not tell me about when I went to work there. The owner spotted a glock in the top of my box one day and asked me to take it home at lunch.

I told him the glock stays or we both go.......I kept that glock in the top of my box for another 2 years.
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To hell if a walmart stockboy is ever going to check my permit, should have told him to screw off.
Read my more recent post about the full circumstances in which he asked.
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