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Old 08-07-2011, 07:33 PM   #21
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without getting too much into it, all the grilles are the same.. there is one manufacturer that use to be the 'go to source' for them, but when this other manufacturer got 'bigger' now everyone goes to them.. there are only a few vendors that still are at the previously best manufacturer, and i have not seen a vendor on this forum or any other bmw forum carry their stuff for years

same with bumpers, there's one mfg everyone use to use, then someone else came out with much higher quality stuff, so everyone kind of merged over to the new one, manufacturing goes in cycles just like everything else
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without getting too much into it, all the grilles are the same.. there is one manufacturer that use to be the 'go to source' for them, but when this other manufacturer got 'bigger' now everyone goes to them.. there are only a few vendors that still are at the previously best manufacturer, and i have not seen a vendor on this forum or any other bmw forum carry their stuff for years

same with bumpers, there's one mfg everyone use to use, then someone else came out with much higher quality stuff, so everyone kind of merged over to the new one, manufacturing goes in cycles just like everything else
So essentially every sponsor carries the same bumper (M-tech II, CSL, M3) replicas for different prices?
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So essentially every sponsor carries the same bumper (M-tech II, CSL, M3) replicas for different prices?
No... They are supplied by different companies. That's like saying that every orange sold in every grocery store are grown in the same place.

With the grills, which I don't know too much about so don't get on my case, I'm guessing by what umnitza is saying is that there is a preferred nanufacture that most companies use.
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No... They are supplied by different companies. That's like saying that every orange sold in every grocery store are grown in the same place.

With the grills, which I don't know too much about so don't get on my case, I'm guessing by what umnitza is saying is that there is a preferred nanufacture that most companies use.
yeah but what Dean just said is very contradicting. He says that all grilles are the same but then goes on to say that there is more than one MANUFACTURE. How does that make sense?
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yeah but what Dean just said is very contradicting. He says that all grilles are the same but then goes on to say that there is more than one MANUFACTURE. How does that make sense?
He confuses me sometimes too.
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So essentially every sponsor carries the same bumper (M-tech II, CSL, M3) replicas for different prices?
the m tech II front bumper there is basically one great manufacturer and plenty of trading companies.. some vendors purchase from trading companies, which limits or increases the available product lines, but also influences prices.

the 'con' to trading companies is the manufacturer may not want to provide them with every part they sell, which is why some vendors have both fitments for the m tech ii rear bumpers, and some only have a coupe or sedan fitment, also explains the m tech ii side skirts and the various pricing given.

a pro to trading companies (which we do not use) is that they typically have lower minimum order quantities, but will 100% of the time have an increased margin than going direct to the manufacturer, which is why our prices are low (everyone else could be doing this too, who knows, but then why are their prices higher than ours? that's a story for a different night)

on the M3 bumpers there is essentially one manufacturer but multiple trade companies, but the M3 bumper mold is not very good, as many have experienced here, no matter which vendor you purchase an M3 front from, the fitment will be undesired and requires further modification. we are actively trying to find another manufacturer for the M3 fronts, at which point we will carry them.

there is obviously much more to it than described above, but just a little bit of info for those who don't work behind the scenes!
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yeah but what Dean just said is very contradicting. He says that all grilles are the same but then goes on to say that there is more than one MANUFACTURE. How does that make sense?
not contradicting at all, there are grilles that you see vendors around the bmw forums advertise and sell to customers, and then there are the disgusting ones which you can find by searching ebay

that is the difference between the two manufacturers, one mfg holds much closer to OEM fitment and specification, the other decides they can style the grilles better than bmw could.. we, as well as most, choose the 'closer to oem style' ones, some of the 'weird' ones are just too out there
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No... They are supplied by different companies. That's like saying that every orange sold in every grocery store are grown in the same place.

With the grills, which I don't know too much about so don't get on my case, I'm guessing by what umnitza is saying is that there is a preferred nanufacture that most companies use.
You hit it right on the head.
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Several Taiwanese companies making these grills.
Then there are hundreds of trading companies selling them.
Of course a few of them got greedy and sent the parts to China to have them duplicated. The problem is, the Chinese usually do a good job but when you are duplicating a duplicate, you have failures.

That's how you see incredibly lower prices from some vendors and higher prices from others and still much higher prices from others.

In this "game" we call retail, everyone is looking for an "edge".



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yeah but what Dean just said is very contradicting. He says that all grilles are the same but then goes on to say that there is more than one MANUFACTURE. How does that make sense?
Here's the dirty little secret about retailing, everyone is looking for an edge.

The edge we have is we've been around a long long time, we've helped and installed thousands of products on customers cars. Our guys are trained on the maximum amount of products possible.

Some vendors pretend to be your friend, acting like Robin Hood. Other vendors don't do any pretending and sell products based on their racing pedigree. Other vendors sell products based on their ability to deliver exception phone service and support. Still, other vendors deliver a combination of all those things.

I can only speak for Umnitza's behalf of course. Our focus started out much like some vendors in the early days. We slashed prices, we destroyed status quo with costs so low it was amazing at the time. Over time we realized that people still expected good service, the ability to talk to someone on the phone to get a consultation, and to get a variety of parts.

We're far from perfect, no vendor is. But I can assure y'all that as we continue to grow both as a company and as a customer base, you will get the absolute best we can offer you all the time. Not just because we have lower prices and want to "steal" your business without any service to back it up.

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Yea, I've seen the thread of Dean acting like a ****, will never do business with them again for this very reason.
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Thinking about becoming a vendor! Not gonna lie.

I'm thinking about the savings I could extend to all fanatics by not having a staggering overhead cost, an 800 toll free number etc ...

Customer service will be slightly affected but will be run like a family business! Business will be conducted in an honest and straightforward way.

A new business model in these tough times (dow bellow 11000 btw today)

I will choose products based on what particular item is mostly in demand at a certain time.

Let me know guys. I'm serious!

I will start a new thread with this idea and hopefully get some positive feedback.
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