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Driveline, Engine & DME Tuning
Talk about driveline improvements, NA tuning and DME tuning your E46 BMW here. This includes diffs, intakes, exhausts, chips, software and OBD tuning.

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Old 08-23-2011, 07:50 PM   #21
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This is very interesting I hope you guys figure it out and wish I could help

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WINKPF seems to be what dealer uses to flash ecus, I've search and it seems that you need a very expensive GT1 interface with laptop for this to work, it defeats the purpose

You are not contributing anything, you are clueless and all you do is just trowing baseless ideas around
If you dug a little bit deeper, you would realize that several of us have been using WinKFP to flash our DMEs with cheap interfaces (fully functional interfaces can be had for as little as $10).

You would also find that the various Progman / Ista-P DVDs floating around contain several bootloader variants for the various DMEs as well as the different tunes for all the different types of E46s using the same DME (M54B22 vs B25 vs B30; Euro vs US; Catless vs Catted; etc...) - Surely having access to every stock tune available for the MS43 would prove to be useful

Let's look at the factory tunes available for the E46 330
US:
SW#: 7571613
"HW#" (Bootloader Version): 7572342

Euro 3/4 (Catted):
SW #: 745670
"HW#" (Bootloader Version): 7545150

Euro 2 (Catless):
SW #: 745671
"HW#"(Bootloader Version): 7545150

Click on the hyperlinks to download the data files associated with said software/bootloader versions. It'll probably be easier to compare the two different Euro ones since they both have the same "base" software (the "bootloader" as BMW calls it) and just a few parameters are different (but should all be at the samea locations and whatnot). The US software uses different "bootloader" *and* software, but the US hardware can be flashed with the Euro stuff since the actual hardware is the same.

Fwiw: All the files have some comments in the beginning, the some actual binary data in the middle, and a checksum at the end.
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If you dug a little bit deeper, you would realize that several of us have been using WinKFP to flash our DMEs with cheap interfaces (fully functional interfaces can be had for as little as $10).
I do have few interfaces, and I tried using Inpa/SSS/and other and it is complicated on how to install it into the laptop, requires seperate partition not many people want to mess with that.
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Sorry guys not trying to thread jack but I am very computer savay and I am having a hell of a time finding all of this software and how to install it. I have looked on bimmerfest but I still just don't get it for some reason.

Is there a simple way to.just install the software I need to do the eu2 flash.

And sorry again just seems like you guys would be able to help me out.


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I do have few interfaces, and I tried using Inpa/SSS/and other and it is complicated on how to install it into the laptop, requires seperate partition not many people want to mess with that.
Don't need separate partitions... DIS and SSS need to be installed in VMs, but those are irrelevant to this discussion. WinKFP is a Win32 app and will run natively on any 32-bit version of Windows. Setting it up is a matter of just importing some data files.
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HakenTT - I looked at the data files for the Euro 2 and 3 software flashes, modified the formatting a bit, and ended up with some BIN files that seem to be relevant to your cause. The files look to be quite similar in structure to yours, but have junk data thrown in (seemingly at random) at certain spots. The junk data seems to be added at the same spots between the different tunes though, so figuring out how to correct one file solves the issue for all of them. I think. Since the files are so similar, at least we know that the data files on the progman and ista/p DVDs are *not* encrypted.

Euro2.bin
Euro3.bin

I could make these bins for any other stock MS43 tunes. Or any other ECU type for that matter
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Thanks for the input and patience terra.

That's great news. Perhaps there is a way to tune our cars by injecting our own modified code into the files winkfp uses to update the DME.

How did you reformat the 0da iirc files? Simply deleted the comments out and added a .bin extension?
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Thanks for the input and patience terra.

That's great news. Perhaps there is a way to tune our cars by injecting our own modified code into the files winkfp uses to update the DME.

How did you reformat the 0da iirc files? Simply deleted the comments out and added a .bin extension?
Sorta. lemme try to explain. First - yea I deleted the comments above and below, until I was left with a bunch of lines that looked like this

Code:
:100000006335363636353038343330303636303185
:1000100031313134333030303636303130303030C9
:1000200031313134333030303636303130303030B9
:1000300031313134333030303636303130303030A9
:1000400063613433303036362E444154FFFFFFFFB6
:10005000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFB0
:10006000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFA0
:10007000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF90
:10008000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF80
:10009000FFFF000000000000000000000000000062
:1000A000000080808080808080FFE001FF7F3E0034
:1000B00011002E0073002E0019003200F401F4012B
:1000C0001B090000800164220C00FD2C28000800A0
:1000D00000FF000048010000CD0CCD0C00180018F6
:1000E0002001CD0006014200CD0C3D0A0020FFFF9B
:1000F000270133F34801370A8901CB010C0267E677
:100100000100010058199A19900139007B009A19D1
:100110009A09000000000080FE7F000014000A0021
:1001200020033804581B0300C40F4E00C8003C00D5
:10013000140014001400140011001100110011002B
:1001400029222822282228227105710571057105AE
:1001500044034403440340036903690369036503DB
:1001600091209020311531158920882025152515DD
:1001700010161016101610162084200420042004D7
:10018000308430043004300421042104210421048B
In each line the colon and the 8 characters after that identify the offset. I'm not sure what the last 2 digits in each line represents, but it's not code. Seems to be some kind of checksum for each line.

Anyway, I made a batch file that removes the first 9 and last 2 chracters from each line, then I copied the remaining hex, pasted into hexworkshop (having it interpret it as straight hex) and then saved the resulting file as a bin.
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Interesting.

Now we need to get identify the hex ranges that identifies the maps etc. I bilieve winols has a feature that will map them out for you.
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HakenTT - I looked at the data files for the Euro 2 and 3 software flashes, modified the formatting a bit, and ended up with some BIN files that seem to be relevant to your cause. The files look to be quite similar in structure to yours, but have junk data thrown in (seemingly at random) at certain spots. The junk data seems to be added at the same spots between the different tunes though, so figuring out how to correct one file solves the issue for all of them. I think. Since the files are so similar, at least we know that the data files on the progman and ista/p DVDs are *not* encrypted.
What is so special about the Euro stock files?

I have carsoft interface that they say should work with most of BMW software, but my laptop is little older because I want the serial port and I am running windows XP because of it and maybe thats why I have problems installing that software
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What is so special about the Euro stock files?

I have carsoft interface that they say should work with most of BMW software, but my laptop is little older because I want the serial port and I am running windows XP because of it and maybe thats why I have problems installing that software
Carsoft interface is finicky at best. VAG-COM interface or the actual EDIABAS interfaces work much better (and both are pretty cheap)

As for the Euro software - I can't quantify most of the differences, but there is a fairly significant difference in driving the cars. Throttle response feels quicker and more accurate, the cars seem to have more torque throughout the entire power band, and the idle is *much* smoother. And in the case of the Euro2 firmware - it's a factory firmware that does not monitor the catalytic converters (so it's valuable to those who want to run headers). Another difference is that the euro cars got 250km/h limits instead of the 210km/h or w/e the US got. IMO there's little need for a shark injector with the stock Euro files being available (basically for free) - especially if one can raise raise the rev limiter and write the file back to the car.

Anyway the whole point is to have multiple files so that the parameters can be better understood right? I would think having multiple stock files meant for the same "HW" version would be helpful there.
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The euro bins that you posted are only 60kb and they need to be 64kb, if we are talking about MS43?

If you have the winkfp, then can you zip the 'daten' file where all the bin files are located and post it somewhere?

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The euro bins that you posted are only 60kb and they need to be 64kb, if we are talking about MS43?

If you have the winkfp, then can you zip the 'daten' file where all the bin files are located and post it somewhere?
As I mentioned the missing data just seems to be filler (e.g. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF etc...). When I load the files into WinOLS it does recognize them as Siemens MS43 files.

Do you want all the E46 files, or are you only interested in ms43?
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for now I am only interested in MS43 bin files, and those euro files are they for MS43 3.0L?
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As I mentioned the missing data just seems to be filler (e.g. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF etc...). When I load the files into WinOLS it does recognize them as Siemens MS43 files.

Do you want all the E46 files, or are you only interested in ms43?
That's fantastic news!

So Theoretically,

We can alter the bins using TUNERPRO once the XDF has been created, take the modified output and paste it into the .0da/0pa files and re-flash the DME using WINKFP by telling it to use the modified 745670 hex code modified .0da/0pa files.

I wonder if there would be any checks that would not allow that to happen.

Which file contains the map and tunable data? 0da or 0pa? Basically the only file that would need to be edited?
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for now I am only interested in MS43 bin files, and those euro files are they for MS43 3.0L?
The euro files are available for all MS43 and MS42 equipped e46's.
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for now I am only interested in MS43 bin files, and those euro files are they for MS43 3.0L?
The ones I posted in this thread were for E46 330i/ci. Sending you a PM w/ the rest of the files... (though I didn't rip out the comments, addresses, or checksums in these files)

"MS43.DAT" shows which data files correspond to which software numbers. And the software numbers for various models can be found in the ETK (I use BMWFans.info since RealOEM omits the software versions for some reason). Example: Euro 330ci Those part numbers are all listed under "Control Unit DME, Programmed". The last 7 digits of each part number correspond to the software versions. So 12 14 7 545 670 becomes 745670 - which according to MS43.DAT corresponds to HW# 7545150 and data file O7539692.0da. If you rip out the comments, addresses, and checksums from the 0da file, you end up with the hex data for the 60kb binaries (encoded as ASCII so you have to have a hex editor interpret it as hex and save that). A bit convoluted I know, but all the data is there. I could probably quickly write up a program that converts all the data files into binaries if I really felt like it.
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I just installed that program that you sent me links, but there isn't any interface testing modes, and as far as I can see my carsoft interface does not work at all. It tells me "ecu error", and it looks like you can only flash the ecu there is no 'read ecu' option
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QUOTE]
:100000006335363636353038343330303636303185
:1000100031313134333030303636303130303030C9
:1000200031313134333030303636303130303030B9
:1000300031313134333030303636303130303030A9
:1000400063613433303036362E444154FFFFFFFFB6
:10005000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFB0
:10006000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFA0
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Hex16 is a way to describe binary images. It is not THE actual binary or bin file. The full 64kb in hex16 format is the complete linear address space. The seimens chipset uses a havard architecture it can execute fetch,decode on every clock cycle. Data and instructions are not located in seperate segments like a von neuman architecture....remember CS:IP is the instruction pointer and DS for the Data Segment like is needed on an x86 . There is a new set of gpr registers on each page or sector what ever MMU does on this chip. What this architecture buys is a very fast context switching and interupt handling as there is almost zero overhead when the chip switches modes. Sun Sparc chips were setup the same way, PIC, TI.


ROM, Flash is usually and in this case is copied to the begining of the 2nd segment. (I thought intially you were trying to pull Flash via the OBDII port.) This is done because segment 1 is reserved for supervior/priviledge mode. The short of why ROM, FLASH is copied to the second segment so it is accessible to external memory which is mapped into this segment. This is the reason I stated if you wanted to read flash via OBDII port you have to force the cpu to read a new configuration off the buss after performing a hard reset . and read the actual ROM, not a copy of it that is located in external RAM.

It is trivial with the input data and the output value to calculate a CRC for a changed value.... exclusively OR the data stream byte by byte then take the 1's compliment of your answer to the end.


Read the Datasheet it will show you how to calculate physical address from the linear address space.

Most programs are smart enough and some even will ask you if you want the complete page what is truncated from a 60kb file is a 4kb of unused memory that was not copied. Unless you know which padding in the linear map it removed you will not be aligned correctly.
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:100000006335363636353038343330303636303185
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:1000400063613433303036362E444154FFFFFFFFB6
:10005000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFB0
:10006000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFA0
....
Hex16 is a way to describe binary images. It is not THE actual binary or bin file.
I know that. However, the beginnings of the files match almost bit for bit. Here are the first 256 bytes of both types of files - first one dumped from an actual DME, the other taken from the BMW DVDs. (hexadeecimal and ascii represenatations). This leads me to believe that the with the exception of some padding, the files are comparable. (Keep in mind that more than the first 256 match, I just limited the post to the first 256 so that I don't break the thread)

DME Dump
Code:
00000000 6336 3636 6135 3238 3433 3030 3636 3031 3131 3134 3330 3030 3636 3031 3030 3030 3131 3134 3330 3030 3636 c666a5284300660111143000660100001114300066
0000002A 3031 3030 3030 3131 3134 3330 3030 3636 3031 3030 3030 6361 3433 3030 3636 2E44 4154 FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF 0100001114300066010000ca430066.DAT........
00000054 FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF ..........................................
0000007E FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 8080 8080 8080 ..........................................
000000A8 80FF E001 FF7F 3E00 1100 2E00 7300 2E00 1900 3200 F401 F401 1B09 0000 8001 6422 0C00 FD2C 2800 0800 00FF ......>.....s.....2...........d"...,(.....
000000D2 0000 4801 0000 CD0C CD0C 0018 0018 2001 CD00 0601 4200 CD0C 3D0A 0020 FFFF 2701 33F3 4801 370A 8901 CB01 ..H........... .....B...=.. ..'.3.H.7.....
000000FC 0C02 67E6                                                                                                ..g.
Euro2."bin"
Code:
00000000 6335 3636 3635 3066 3433 3030 3636 3031 3131 3134 3330 3030 3636 3031 3030 3030 3131 3134 3330 3030 3636 c566650f4300660111143000660100001114300066
0000002A 3031 3030 3030 3131 3134 3330 3030 3636 3031 3030 3030 6361 3433 3030 3636 2E44 4154 FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF 0100001114300066010000ca430066.DAT........
00000054 FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF ..........................................
0000007E FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 8080 8080 8080 ..........................................
000000A8 80FF E001 FF7F 3E00 1100 2E00 7300 2E00 1900 3200 F401 F401 1B09 0000 8001 6422 0C00 FD2C 2800 0800 00FF ......>.....s.....2...........d"...,(.....
000000D2 0000 4801 0000 CD0C CD0C 0018 0018 2001 CD00 0601 4200 CD0C 3D0A 0020 FFFF 2701 33F3 4801 370A 8901 CB01 ..H........... .....B...=.. ..'.3.H.7.....
000000FC 0C02 67E6                                                                                                ..g.
Now while I didn't look over every single bit throughout the file, it does seem like the 60KB contains everything that the 64KB file contains. The 60KB file does seem to have padding added in "random" spots (usually 4 or 8 bytes of 0s).

If I could I'd flash one of the tunes to a car, read it back, and then compare it with the data files from the BMW DVDs. If I had an MS43 car I'd do just that... but I don't. If the files could be understood, then perhaps they modified and written back to the car using tools that are easy to acquire. (As I mentioned, the cables that work with this software can be had as low as $10)

I have no training (formal or informal) for this stuff, so there's very little I can add - all I'm trying to do is point the people "in the know" in a potentially helpful direction.
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