VMR CSL 18'' or 19''?

Originally Posted by jizzzoe

At what cost though? I like the look of V710's better anyway, gonna go with those at only $100 more. Powdercoating is what, $100 per wheel compared to $100 more total for the set on the gunmetal VMRs?

If you'd rather go with VMR wheels then absolutely, go for those, they're great wheels for the money as well. We're a stocking distributor with all the colors as well:

Originally Posted by tpratt2

Function over form. For cars that we put expensive mods on to squeeze out every pony, why take 10 steps backwards with larger heavier wheels?

this.

Originally Posted by jizzzoe

At what cost though? I like the look of V710's better anyway, gonna go with those at only $100 more. Powdercoating is what, $100 per wheel compared to $100 more total for the set on the gunmetal VMRs?

It's not about cost, it's about weight. Those VMRs are definitely nice wheels, but are heavy as hell. I'd pay a little more for a forged set of lighter wheels any day.

Plus, forged wheels = stronger wheels.

Originally Posted by DJ Reminisce

It's not about cost, it's about weight. Those VMRs are definitely nice wheels, but are heavy as hell. I'd pay a little more for a forged set of lighter wheels any day.

Plus, forged wheels = stronger wheels.

If you're into the CSL style but want something a little lighter, I would recommend that you check out the Sportline CS16 Rotary Forged wheels. The Sportline CS16 wheels are going to be lighter and stronger than standard cast wheels. With that Here are a few comparison shot between the VMR VB3, Alufelgen CS7, and Sportline CS16 wheels for you to check out!

Wow, I've never seen all three in one shot like that. Honestly, barring the weight, the VMR's look the best.

Originally Posted by liquiddawn

Wow, I've never seen all three in one shot like that. Honestly, barring the weight, the VMR's look the best.

Yeah, but the weight, at almost 29 pounds, is hard to get over lol

Plus, they aren't forged, so they are inherently weaker and more prone to damage from potholes and such.

To each their own.

Originally Posted by DJ Reminisce

Yeah, but the weight, at almost 29 pounds, is hard to get over lol

Plus, they aren't forged, so they are inherently weaker and more prone to damage from potholes and such.

To each their own.

This is true. I still went with the VMR's. I just avoid potholes as much as I can. Haven't hit one yet! Thankfully.

Originally Posted by Alex323Ci

umm...actually they're 25.7 lbs front and 27.00 lbs rear

http://www.e46fanatics.com/forum/sho...50&postcount=4

Originally Posted by TallSkinnyMatt

Oh I just looked at modbargains website.

http://www.modbargains.com/VMR-VB3-B...-Wheels-19.htm

They say 24, and 25 there. haha.

Originally Posted by Alex323Ci

That's funny, I guess they sprinkle their wheels with pixie dust or something to make theirs lighter.

Originally Posted by TallSkinnyMatt

hahahaha its magic

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

Haha, now look at how much they weigh. Guess it is magic. What a joke, someone needs to tell Modbargains to pull their head out and get consistant.

If you're just going to use wheels for looks, I'd just get wheels that you like and look the best. Save the extra money you would spend on forged 19's and invest them in a nice set 17" or 18" high performance track wheels

Originally Posted by TallSkinnyMatt

If you're just going to use wheels for looks, I'd just get wheels that you like and look the best. Save the extra money you would spend on forged 19's and invest them in a nice set 17" or 18" high performance track wheels

The Sportline CS16 wheels are rotary forged and are actually affordable and wont break the bank. A non-staggered set of 18" Sportline CS16 start at $899 and is definitely a track performance ready wheel!

Originally Posted by Alex323Ci

Haha, now look at how much they weigh. Guess it is magic. What a joke, someone needs to tell Modbargains to pull their head out and get consistant.

The wheels that we weight in that comparison were all 19x9.5 ET20-33 offsets. A wheel with a lower offset is going to have more back spacing material, thus increasing the weight. A wheel with a higher offset would have less back spacing material and will be much lighter. It's possible that the weights listed on the site are of the 19x8.5 ET40 offsets which would be significantly lighter than the 19x9.5 ET22 wheels.

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

The wheels that we weight in that comparison were all 19x9.5 ET20-33 offsets. A wheel with a lower offset is going to have more back spacing material, thus increasing the weight. A wheel with a higher offset would have less back spacing material and will be much lighter. It's possible that the weights listed on the site are of the 19x8.5 ET40 offsets which would be significantly lighter than the 19x9.5 ET22 wheels.

Thats true. Never thought of that!

I think I'm gonna start a thread soon of the weight of my wheels + tire. Really curious of the actual weight now. Haha

Originally Posted by ModBargains.com

The wheels that we weight in that comparison were all 19x9.5 ET20-33 offsets. A wheel with a lower offset is going to have more back spacing material, thus increasing the weight.
A wheel with a higher offset would have less back spacing material and will be much lighter.
It's possible that the weights listed on the site are of the 19x8.5 ET40 offsets which would be significantly lighter than the 19x9.5 ET22 wheels.

yeah right, 4-5 lbs worth.

whatever your excuse is it's on YOUR WEBSITE. you need to fix it

...Size ..Bolt Pattern.. Offset.. ...... Weight..
19x8.5.... 5x120.... +40, +20.......... 24.75 lbs....
19x9.5... 5x120....+45, +33, +22... 25.25 lbs..

So YOUR website says 25.25lbs and now your photo says 29 lbs.

as far as wheels you used in your comparision, they should all be the SAME size and Offsets and the same scale

to make things even more confusing, here's EAS with VMR CSL 19x9.5

and the thread about the confusing weights posted
http://www.e46fanatics.com/forum/sho...50#post9877850

Originally Posted by Alex323Ci

to make things even more confusing, here's EAS with VMR CSL 19x9.5

I'm so confused now...

Well it's not like you're gonna lose that much performance with the 19s so get those for a better look. It does increase rotating weight and the weight is further from the center but it's not like it's a Lamborghini so you won't notice a difference. 19s it is.

19s

Originally Posted by screamer-beemer531

Well it's not like you're gonna lose that much performance with the 19s so get those for a better look. It does increase rotating weight and the weight is further from the center but it's not like it's a Lamborghini so you won't notice a difference. 19s it is.

actually the less power the more likely you will notice and the more power the less you'd notice

Originally Posted by Alex323Ci

actually the less power the more likely you will notice and the more power the less you'd notice

Very true. Honestly though... Ever since I put on my 19's, haven't noticed much of a difference. Not enough at least to make a difference.

Originally Posted by Alex323Ci

actually the less power the more likely you will notice and the more power the less you'd notice

I think you are trying to say that you are more likely to notice a drop in power than an increase in power.
If that is the case, then I must be super sensitive. Because I noticed a difference in acceleration just switching from the crappy (and loud) General UHP's that were on my car when I bought it, to a set of Michelin PS2's. The new Michelins were noticeably lighter than the old Generals. I can also tell a difference in power when the temperature goes from warm to cold (not the difference of having the A/C on v/s off). I can't imagine adding 4 - 5lbs or more of weight to each wheel would not be noticeable.
But, in the end, there are trade off's with anything, and I am not criticizing anyone for putting whatever the Hell they want on their car. It is your car, and you are the one who drives it, not a bunch of strangers on the Internet.
I do think it would be interesting to do some blind tests on people using their cars, and switching out between 17, 18, and 19 inch wheels. It would be a cool thing to organize and test. Maybe someone in a place with a lot of e46 drivers could pull together enough people, and convince a retailer like Tire Rack to come out with some different sizes of the same wheel model, with the same model of tire installed, and let people do blind tests. Maybe you SoCal guys? There seem to be a lot of you out there. Maybe I will try to do this here in NC. I have lots of time on my hands.

That would be cool, but then you would have to either have all of the cars drivers revert their car to stock, so their mods dont affect the test, or have all the drivers have the same mods.