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Old 10-31-2011, 10:33 PM   #1
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[lawful gun owner] stops thieves from breaking into cars

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Old 10-31-2011, 10:39 PM   #2
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If the cars had a gun-free zone sticker, thief would have never broken in...
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Hum I dont agree, the man should have not followed with his gun. I dont see how he could justify he was in danger by following them, the threat was removed. Idiots are going to make it hard for us "smart" gun owners to keep our firearms.
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In Florida, it's not just for defense; there is a stipulation that if one witnesses a felony in progress, one can take action with one's firearm. In this case, the man could argue that he witnessed a felony in progress was concerned for the safety of his neighbors, as this is not the first occurrence in that neighborhood of theft from automobiles.
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In Florida, it's not just for defense; there is a stipulation that if one witnesses a felony in progress, one can take action with one's firearm. In this case, the man could argue that he witnessed a felony in progress was concerned for the safety of his neighbors, as this is not the first occurrence in that neighborhood of theft from automobiles.
His actions to defend his property are justified, even in drawing his firearm (non deadly force under 776.031, Fla. Stat. ).

That privilege of law is not going to cover his decision to chase, pursue and detain those kids. In doing so, he escalated a situation where a threat was no longer present.
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His actions to defend his property are justified, even in drawing his firearm (non deadly force under 776.031, Fla. Stat. ).

That privilege of law is not going to cover his decision to chase, pursue and detain those kids. In doing so, he escalated a situation where a threat was no longer present.
Strictly speaking on those terms, yes. But Florida is pretty liberal (or conservative, depending on how you look at it) on the subject of gun ownership, so I doubt any charges will be brought against him. And even if they were, we also have some crackerjack lawyers that would get the charges dropped.
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Strictly speaking on those terms, yes. But Florida is pretty liberal (or conservative, depending on how you look at it) on the subject of gun ownership, so I doubt any charges will be brought against him. And even if they were, we also have some crackerjack lawyers that would get the charges dropped.
I don't feel he broke any laws, just exercised poor judgement.
I commend him for his good intentions

Having executed citizens arrests myself while armed, I personally did not feel the need to draw my firearm to do so. In his case, I wasn't there, but I question his need, but again... I wasnt there
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In Florida, it's not just for defense; there is a stipulation that if one witnesses a felony in progress, one can take action with one's firearm. In this case, the man could argue that he witnessed a felony in progress was concerned for the safety of his neighbors, as this is not the first occurrence in that neighborhood of theft from automobiles.
not exactly.

i don't know florida's statutes, but generally speaking- trying door handles, or "fishing", probably wouldn't be a felony. it would more likely be vehicle tampering or petty theft (both misdemeanors). this does not justify deadly force.

secondary to that, pretend it was a felony, the law probably reads to allow for deadly force to prevent the escape of a fleeing felon "if the escape of the felon puts the public in immediate danger."

again, i'm only speculating, but ordinary citizens don't know the specifics of the laws (99% of the people on here don't- most form opinions/judgments based on what they think or assume). if this guy used deadly force and the cops show up and the turds didn't commit a felony, the 'hero' is going to the gray bar hotel for a long time.

lastly, it wasn't even their own property they were defending. how could they know 100% that the people they were assuming were the crooks weren't friends or relatives... and then they get chased by a guy with a gun who shoots them.

there is too much potential for a terrible ending in this situation... what seems like a hero move is stupidity and ignorance at its highest level.
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They need to lower the age a 'minor' can be charged as an adult to 16 as mandatory.

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Enforce a curfew for kids
Yeah more regulations always work.

You can't force morals onto people. Kids that do this don't care about a curfew which would just be a ticket or at best a misdemeanor. It wouldn't do shit but punish the good kids.

You have to start at the source: the parents. Until you fix the parents, youre still going to see little fuck ups like this flourishing.
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