1988 Hyundai Excel vs BMW E30, baaaaahahah!

Originally Posted by Lair

In 1988, every Hyundai was a steaming pile of crap.

The new cars are light years better than the old cars.

I had a friend who was broke and bought a brand new one in 1988. And your assessment of the car was an understatement.....that car was fkn horrid!! In every aspect.....

Originally Posted by vwott

BMW makes the cars that everyone else tries to top. You don't see BMW making commercials comparing itself to the new Hyundai. All these cars come out and they try to prove that they can compete with BMW. That right there is enough to tell you who the top dog is.

There will always be people saying you're just paying more money for the name, but o well. Let them fix their Hyundai with the tools they saved money on by buying from Harbor Freight.

They are not that far ahead anymore. Where are they at on the reliability charts these days? I actually do not know........I bet they are not at the top. I really like reliable cars..I hate going to service dept...

Originally Posted by Wes

Hey man, nothing will ever come close to your 10 year old 3 series, but at least Hyundai is trying!

One of my neighbors has a new Genesis coupe. If the car runs as good as it looks, it's a winner.

Originally Posted by wild willy

Yes....extremely impressed at quality in and out especially when you look at the price point.....and let's not even bring the warranty into the discussion......

Hey...I love all cars.....I love BMW's even though I never bought one...you have to give credit where it is due.........

having never owned one, you truly can't comment on what it's like to REALLY REALLY love one. it's a different ball game when you're living with them day in and out, YES, through all the broken bits and pieces and complaints, still all love.

Originally Posted by Lair

One of my neighbors has a new Genesis coupe. If the car runs as good as it looks, it's a winner.

drive it, sit in it, you'll see. it looks good, drives like crap, everything else is crap, it's bait and switch!

Originally Posted by benzedid

look... instead of a Hyundai, I'd prefer getting a KIA. atleast, the downshift won't be that harsh! xD

Brah Hyundai owns Kia

I like how they praise FWD like its GOOD

I liked the one where somone (subaru maybe) talked about each car it blew its doors off. Then it went against the 928 and it blew our doors off. But at $9999 (or whatever) we can afford new doors.

Anyone know what I am talking about?

Originally Posted by trizzuth

I would be, it's a no-win situation for Hyundai, no matter how hard they try, Hyundais will NEVER, EVER compare to a BMW in quality, performance, or anything for that matter as far as I am concerned. Why? Because Hyundais are CHEAP, they pride themselves on being CHEAP, and they cannot, and will not be able to come close to the quality of a BMW EVER, by being cheap.

I had total respect for the Genesis coupe, until I recently got to drive one that belonged to my friend's dad. What a total piece of sh*t. Seriously. It was garbage, the blue dash lit up so F"N bright, that's all I could see! talk about distracting. The car already had a few squeaks going over bumps and was 2 years and 40K miles old. The doors sounded like opening a can of tuna when they were opened, and flicking an aluminum can when closed. I grabbed the door handle from the inside and twisted it ever so slightly and it sounded like it was made from plastic so cheap, it squeaked and I swear I could have broken it if I twisted harder. What an absolute, piece of crap.

Go drive one, I challenge any of you. Maybe they "seem good" right off the lot, but give one 40K miles, and it starts to turn to garbage. Once you hit 100K, if you're lucky, that's when the fun starts and the rust begins to seep everywhere from underneath where you can't see it unless you get down under there. Every time I get into one, I cannot help but think of how far they've come, and how far they still are from BMW, they're absolute CRAPTASTIC CRAP in my opinion.

Sure, want to go from point A to point B, not stressing the car out in any way, and go 100K with no worries? buy one. that's what they are for. people who cannot stand to drive. /rant.

I trust your opinion.

Originally Posted by trizzuth

Jesus christ, i should have just posted this on a hyundai forum. For those of you "praising" the craptasticness of hyundai, have you actually been in or driven a relatively new one, or are you making claims solely based on what the media has presented you with?

I drove a genisis coupe with the bigger n/a engine, and that thing flew... No matter what rpm it pulled like hell. Felt faster than e46 m3 since i didnt have to rev the hell out of it to get power. The one i drove had a muffler delete and sounded like a gtr

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Originally Posted by trizzuth

Jesus christ, i should have just posted this on a hyundai forum. For those of you "praising" the craptasticness of hyundai, have you actually been in or driven a relatively new one, or are you making claims solely based on what the media has presented you with?

I have, and you obviously haven't. Yes, this is a BMW "fansite" but for me (since I no longer own a BMW,) this is a CAR fansite. I like all cars, and hate cars from all manufacturers, regardless of the name.

Why don't you read up on Hyundai as a company. They could buy BMW, and turn the brand into golf carts. Automobiles is not even 50% of their production. Ships, cranes, heavy industry is their bread and butter.

Other than the M series cars, BMW has been consistently slipping. Between Audi, and all the Japanese/Korean manufacturers taking a bite out of their "ultimate driving machine" pie, they are losing marketshare. Their dollar value is at an all time low. A Genesis coupe if a better car than a 328 in every aspect you can measure. Yes, it's not a BMW, but that's it. BMWs are for the most part, are nothing more today than boulevard cruisers. 3/5/7 series are now driven mostly by "regular folk" that wouldn't know performance if it slapped them in the face. This partly explains BMW using electric steering systems in their new 5 series. If you read the automotive rags, they all cry about it, but the PUBLIC doesn't care. BMW still charges for HID lamps and ipod cables. Consumers today want more, for less. This is why Hyundai is torching everyone. Go sit in the new Equus, and compare it to a 5 series. Sure it's not a 5 series competitor, but a 7 series competitor, but the price is equal to a 5 series. Those thinking of a 5 series can get way MORE with an Equus, for the same amount of money. The Tau V8 has been critically acclaimed as a great motor. Give them another 3 years, and their cars will surpass the Germans in build and material.

Originally Posted by vwott

BMW makes the cars that everyone else tries to top. You don't see BMW making commercials comparing itself to the new Hyundai. All these cars come out and they try to prove that they can compete with BMW. That right there is enough to tell you who the top dog is.

There will always be people saying you're just paying more money for the name, but o well. Let them fix their Hyundai with the tools they saved money on by buying from Harbor Freight.

This is the attitude that killed American cars, and it took them damn near 20 years to sort of get it back. The "we are BMW, we are the sh!t and we don't need to try" eventually comes to a screeching halt. While other manufacturers are innovating, you are at a standstill. Much like Lexus (LS400) FORCED the germans to upgrade their models, and fast, it is car companies like Hyundai that will keep car makers such as BMW on their toes, trying not to be complacent.

Originally Posted by biggs325

You are a diehard bmw fan. You should be given the fan of the year award. I have been around cars all.my life. Every kind. My dad has sold every kind from Saturn to Mercedes. Yeah you get what you pay for. But in our economy, Hyundai is the one company not goin cheap. Their cars will run for well.over 100k. For the price they are the best car on the market, hands down.

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My wife's 08 Accent has 75k on it and it is as tight as the day we bought it! No squeaks or rattles. The only maintenance we have done on it is getting the timing belt changed and ofcourse the oil. For what it is, it is a very good economy car. No it's not as nice and fun to drive as the 330xi 6sp, but it does pretty darn good $10800!!!

Originally Posted by wild willy

In the past 10 years.....who has come further as a manufacturer...? Is it even close? I don't think so...........Just sayin......Imagine where the 2 will be in 10 more years......BMW feels they have nothing to prove......Hyundai has proven a lot.

That is an absolutely ridiculous example. One had much further to go before what they were producing what could be considered even an acceptable product.

That's like saying that someone who starts off being able to bench press 50 pounds and trains to be able to bench press 250 pounds is stronger and a better competitor than someone who can bench press 300 pounds and is also still in training.

I ****ing hate these threads. It's just a bunch of unfounded theories from either side of the argument, just completely talking out of their ass.

I don't care about car comparisons much...but this I got to put my two cents in...use to hate BMW and Mercedes until I drove and owned one...there's no comparison... i rather buy a $10K,10 year old e46 over a new Hyundai or kia any day of the week... BMW focused on.making the best cars on the tracks and on the roads...not toaster ovens and TV's and such...lol...when you are at the top of the game as BMW is in the car industry ...the only other way is down (once another car company catches up)...yes Hyundai and Kia are looking better now...its because they offer one of BMW top designer more money to work for their design department ...and hence you all kinda notice how Hyundai and Kia has similarities to BMW's ....in headlights..taillights ...and body lines...(check it out)...and for Hyundai/Kia engine reliability...that will mostly depend on the owner's and how they take are of their cars...I have not really seen very much 1988 Hyundai that are clean...mostly crap ...we'll see how these newer Hyundai/Kia hold up in looks and reliability in the next 10-20 years from now....on the other hand...owners of older BMW's still cherish their car and there are a lot of older BMW's out there that still looks like the first day out of the showroom floor...just my two cents and a half...

I don't know why people give Hyundai so much credit for coming such a long way. They just make low grade replicas of German cars, use lesser quality material where they can get away with it and probably pay their workers less to build it. In the end you have a decent car for less money.

Originally Posted by pkripon

I don't care about car comparisons much...but this I got to put my two cents in...use to hate BMW and Mercedes until I drove and owned one...there's no comparison... i rather buy a $10K,10 year old e46 over a new Hyundai or kia any day of the week... BMW focused on.making the best cars on the tracks and on the roads...not toaster ovens and TV's and such...lol...when you are at the top of the game as BMW is in the car industry ...the only other way is down (once another car company catches up)...yes Hyundai and Kia are looking better now...its because they offer one of BMW top designer more money to work for their design department ...and hence you all kinda notice how Hyundai and Kia has similarities to BMW's ....in headlights..taillights ...and body lines...(check it out)...and for Hyundai/Kia engine reliability...that will mostly depend on the owner's and how they take are of their cars...I have not really seen very much 1988 Hyundai that are clean...mostly crap ...we'll see how these newer Hyundai/Kia hold up in looks and reliability in the next 10-20 years from now....on the other hand...owners of older BMW's still cherish their car and there are a lot of older BMW's out there that still looks like the first day out of the showroom floor...just my two cents and a half...

Thats because you are sipping koolaid. BMW is not focused on making "best cars, etc etc etc." They are focused on making money. If they were focused on making the "ultimate driving machine" they would only produce M cars. Old BMWs are sh!t too, it's just that they have a cult following, using them as sunday cars, thus, making them "rare" since the rest have been sent to the scrap heap. I don't see anyone bringing the 318ti into the convo. Ultimate driving machine? I think not. I am probably on over 25 car boards, and nowhere do you find blindness like you do on a BMW board. While most of their cars are fun to drive, good looking, and fun, they are not without fault, as is BMW as a car company. The blind following is just moronic, and failure to acknowledge another car company for doing what we, car enthusiast love, just shows one thing....that people with that mentality don't know d!ck about cars.

Like I said earlier, even if you HATE Hyundai/Kia/whatever, you MUST understand that it is THEM that make your BMWs better every year.

Originally Posted by vwott

I don't know why people give Hyundai so much credit for coming such a long way. They just make low grade replicas of German cars, use lesser quality material where they can get away with it and probably pay their workers less to build it. In the end you have a decent car for less money.

Fail post is fail. You might want to do your research as to where Germany gets the majority of their steel from. As for replicas, every single car manufacturer does it, so that makes no sense as well.

BTW, why don't you do some research about the X3, and then maybe you can talk about how it wasn't even built by BMW, but by an outside contractor in eastern Europe.

Originally Posted by NFRs2000nyc

Fail post is fail. You might want to do your research as to where Germany gets the majority of their steel from. As for replicas, every single car manufacturer does it, so that makes no sense as well.

BTW, why don't you do some research about the X3, and then maybe you can talk about how it wasn't even built by BMW, but by an outside contractor in eastern Europe.

Never saw a BMW replica of a Hyundai.

And honestly I don't care enough to research. If you have all the knowledge to prove that Hyundai is better then cool; buy a Hyundai. I'll be the sucker in the inferior M3.

Originally Posted by vwott

Never saw a BMW replica of a Hyundai.

And honestly I don't care enough to research. If you have all the knowledge to prove that Hyundai is better then cool; buy a Hyundai. I'll be the sucker in the inferior M3.

I had two E46 M3s. The first one was stolen (2003) and bought a new one when I got the check (2004.5) and both were pieces of sh!t. Sure, they were fun to drive, but I spent most of my time driving them to the dealer, and rocking a 3.0 X5 loaner. Biggest POS car I have ever owned. My 2004 coupe was at the dealer 19 times in 3 months. My 2003 vert was at the dealer 7 times in 2 months. A friend of mine has a genesis coupe with some minor mods. Far superior car to my M3s, you know, except the badging.

P.S. I am sure you noticed the S class having a 7 series trunk, all major manufacturers sticking LEDs in their headlights, etc. Like I said, everyone copies everyone.